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Tom Rinaldo

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44. And terrified housewives with no gun training have killed dangerous intruders

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 12:06 PM

Dec 2012

But statistics show the average person is far more likely to die of wounds from their own gun than be killed by a home invader. Wouldn't it have been wonderful if that heroic principal had a gun, unless of course that gun ended up falling into the wrong hands at school at any point in time previous to that shooting.

When you consider that even had she had a gun, she wouldn't have carried it in a holster for instant response, she wasn't wearing body armor on a daily preventive basis, and she could have missed the shooter and killed students herself, that is if he didn't kill her first. A lot of variables would have had to work out right for that principal to prevail ofer that shooter. And in return for that you want to introduce weapons into shools on a daily basis. The shooter didn't use his own guns, he knkew where to find them. Locating them inside schools has a pretty damn obvious down side.

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Yeah, I heard some right-wing NRA asshole bring that up on AM radio last night. sadbear Dec 2012 #1

If "some right-wing NRA asshole" says something, it must be false? TPaine7 Dec 2012 #14

I didn't say it was false. It's just a talking point. sadbear Dec 2012 #26

"One anecdote is pretty meaningless." TPaine7 Dec 2012 #37

So one anecdote AlexSatan Dec 2012 #55

One anecdote compared to all the killings and accidental shootings in this country? randome Dec 2012 #57

Oh, I'm sorry. You're right. There have been NO OTHER WELL-DOCUMENTED INSTANCES sadbear Dec 2012 #58

And there have been other well documented AlexSatan Dec 2012 #66

Yup that would have made it all better sharp_stick Dec 2012 #2

Just the facts, sharp_stick. I only gave you facts. There's no make believe in the OP. nt TPaine7 Dec 2012 #5

Just as you stated, the case you presented are not comparatable. Tempest Dec 2012 #28

One icident in 31 years RomneyLies Dec 2012 #3

And you know this because you have a background and extensive training in what field again? snooper2 Dec 2012 #8

I know this because it has been tested time and time again RomneyLies Dec 2012 #15

up on youtube now is the Diane Sawyer report on the very thing you talk about rainy Dec 2012 #35

You have no idea whether or not she would have prevailed. TPaine7 Dec 2012 #10

Yes, I do. She would have still been a corpse and would have run a huge risk of shooting a kid RomneyLies Dec 2012 #17

And guess what? randome Dec 2012 #24

It is the one of the biggest piece of shit LIES from the NRA RomneyLies Dec 2012 #34

"Constant training" TPaine7 Dec 2012 #31

What a bunch of crap posting. randome Dec 2012 #39

You actually think "guy looks retired" answers the point. LOL! nt TPaine7 Dec 2012 #67

You didn't read the rest? randome Dec 2012 #74

She was in her home environment, knows her surroundings intimately. She doesn't have all kinds of arthritisR_US Dec 2012 #41

You have no idea, either. randome Dec 2012 #21

Hey! I just figured out how to solve the problem of Iran obtaining nukes! Aristus Dec 2012 #4

Every country should have a nuclear arsenal to prevent war Coyotl Dec 2012 #16

And they ought to be allowed to conceal the fact that they have them, too. Aristus Dec 2012 #63

In schools if necessary! Coyotl Dec 2012 #65

As long as they register them, right? arthritisR_US Dec 2012 #45

Wow, once such incident. SheilaT Dec 2012 #6

"One such incident." TPaine7 Dec 2012 #7

You are the one who is trying to promote a position. randome Dec 2012 #29

If this happened as often as the actual SheilaT Dec 2012 #72

GUNS ARE BANNED IN SCHOOLS. That makes it very hard for a teacher to stop a school shooting nt TPaine7 Dec 2012 #79

But they're not banned in shopping malls. I don't think SheilaT Dec 2012 #81

The only way a gun should be allowed in a school is by uniformed security. NCTraveler Dec 2012 #9

But ... But ... But ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #18

lol...your #3 made me chuckle... OneGrassRoot Dec 2012 #50

Your welcome ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #56

yeah, arm all the people whose job it is to discipline the most frustratingly misbehaving kids. unblock Dec 2012 #11

Stop, not prevent. eom. Bad Thoughts Dec 2012 #12

I'm reminded of Ronald Reagan, the great teller of anecdotal tales Coyotl Dec 2012 #13

Yet owning more than one weapon millijac Dec 2012 #19

I am sorry for your loss nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #23

Please consider fashioning this into an OP. It will be a useful coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #52

I have been thinking of posting my story as an OP millijac Dec 2012 #73

one more thing... millijac Dec 2012 #76

NRA talking point. nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #20

Yah Lithos Dec 2012 #22

~20 mass shootings a year, this was over 15 years ago Motown_Johnny Dec 2012 #25

Sure lets store arsenals in schools, great fucking idea Fresh_Start Dec 2012 #27

"Of course no two situations are exactly alike" Tempest Dec 2012 #30

he killed his mom first nt TPaine7 Dec 2012 #33

Oh my. You found something minimal to compare. Tempest Dec 2012 #42

That's what I was talkng about in the erie similarity comment in the OP. TPaine7 Dec 2012 #62

It was a real stretch Tempest Dec 2012 #64

yawn... TPaine7 Dec 2012 #68

I understand. Facts can sometimes be boring. n/t Tempest Dec 2012 #75

So the shooter 1) wasn't in the act of shooting 2) was not shot at alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #32

Suppose someone called 911 could the same outcome happened upaloopa Dec 2012 #36

Wow. So despite the expansion of conceal-carry rights over the last decade, along DanTex Dec 2012 #38

Um there are more instances than the one in the OP justanidea Dec 2012 #40

Then go ahead and do the research. Gives us the stats. randome Dec 2012 #43

And terrified housewives with no gun training have killed dangerous intruders Tom Rinaldo Dec 2012 #44

All excellent points. randome Dec 2012 #48

That's one............................. louis-t Dec 2012 #46

But what about the ones he killed at the first school? Do they count for nothing? n/t madmom Dec 2012 #47

Of course. If the asst. principal hadn't had to go to his truck, probably due to the law, TPaine7 Dec 2012 #53

If the shooter hadn't had easy access the his gun, they would all have had a chance! madmom Dec 2012 #59

Sure. He should't have had unsupervised access to a gun. We agree. nt TPaine7 Dec 2012 #70

You and I have vastly different definitions of the word 'successfully'. How may coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #49

Who cares. It's still time to enact strict gun control. We no longer care what the NRA thinks or OregonBlue Dec 2012 #51

Yes, let's make our school administrators have to play cop... liberalmuse Dec 2012 #54

Let's start at the beginning the mothers of these monsters The_Casual_Observer Dec 2012 #60

I'm different--I wish the SHOOTER had never had access to a gun. And my wish librechik Dec 2012 #61

No, he didn't stop anything. VenusRising Dec 2012 #69

Oh, but the kid was "on his way" to "another school" alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #71

Yeah. VenusRising Dec 2012 #77

An ex-policeman who happened to be a school principle intaglio Dec 2012 #78

Yes, any story, from whatever source that doesn't support your worldview is from the NRA. nt TPaine7 Dec 2012 #80