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Swede Atlanta

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4. We don't have all the details but some facts suggest themselves.....
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 02:20 PM
Dec 2012

The presence of guns in the home increases the likelihood of someone being injured or killed by them.

The presence of guns in the home does not increase your ability to defend yourself.

Gun ownership carries with it a responsibility to secure firearms from anyone else, regardless of who they are.

Teaching the use of firearms to a child who the mother either knew or should have known had "issues" is not a prudent thing to do.


I'm not blaming the mother. I find the whole "prepper" conspiracy movement to be nutcases in search of a cause because they are so unfulfilled in their own lives. But that is another matter.

There is plenty of blame to go around. But I think this woman had a responsibility to the rest of society to ensure she secured her firearms and did not give anyone ready access to them. We don't know if she had her weapons in a gun safe and if so if it was locked and even if it was locked if other family members had access to the key.

I am sorry for her death as I am for any loss of life but in this case if she recklessly placed the lives of other people at risk by not securing the firearms, being watchful of her family members and seeking treatment for them as needed, she bears quite a bit of responsibility. If she didn't care about her own safety that is her choice. But she should not place others' lives at risk due to her own recklessness.

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I agree fully and got my head bitten off because I feel she is also responsible. we can do it Dec 2012 #1
You got your head bitten off for stating what needs to be stated? LeftinOH Dec 2012 #2
I do too. She is even more responsible IMO from what is known so far. we can do it Dec 2012 #5
AMEN! catbyte Dec 2012 #3
That babysitter's probably been having nightmares the past few days. we can do it Dec 2012 #7
I think that's pretty much the advice of any mother to any babysitter of a 9 year old Johonny Dec 2012 #16
I never said that to a babysitter when my child was nine. xmas74 Dec 2012 #23
I was a babysitter starting when I was 12 for several families & never heard that once. catbyte Dec 2012 #27
She warned the babysitter not to turn her back because Adam could get seriously hurt Catherina Dec 2012 #35
We don't have all the details but some facts suggest themselves..... Swede Atlanta Dec 2012 #4
mental health reteachinwi Dec 2012 #19
The one thing she failed to do was to survive. Some survivalist! Speck Tater Dec 2012 #6
GOP, TeaParty, RW media mainstreamed these views so they became much more widely accepted blm Dec 2012 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author Horse with no Name Dec 2012 #32
Those self-fulfilling prophesies bite Tsiyu Dec 2012 #9
She was getting $250K & change a year in alimony WolverineDG Dec 2012 #10
She was getting $250K per year and was afraid of economic collapse??? How frikkin' crazy Nay Dec 2012 #30
Has anyone heard this from anyone other than this one aunt? X_Digger Dec 2012 #11
The single source comments do not agree with other data points ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #20
There's also a lot of thinly veiled racism in the prepper movement Nevernose Dec 2012 #12
I think you've keyed into the basic "mental health" issue.... AntiFascist Dec 2012 #17
I agree - the mother "was" responsible quiche Dec 2012 #13
"Normal" people don't stockpile food unless for a winter storm? Huh. uppityperson Dec 2012 #14
What we think of as a stockpile and what the xmas74 Dec 2012 #24
Its not much of a stockpile and it is not what a typical hardcore prepper would have ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #21
Notice the careful phrasing: "hardcore prepper". Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #26
What adjective would you prefer? ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #31
She wasn't very bright, that's for sure nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2012 #15
Be ready to recant these words. Separation Dec 2012 #18
I heard some of that as well ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #22
This stinks to high heaven. mizz pibb. Dec 2012 #25
Actually some of it is understandable and IMO its mostly ignorance, not malice ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #33
One of her neighbors said she didn't trust the government. I guess that would mean inparticular Raine Dec 2012 #28
My girlfriend's husband doesn't trust the government womanofthehills Dec 2012 #29
all these nuts do not fall far from the crazy trees it seems........... lunasun Dec 2012 #34
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