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Hiawatha Pete

(2,086 posts)
Fri Mar 7, 2025, 12:59 AM Mar 2025

Musk is lying. Compared to Europe, Amtrak is a model of cost efficiency. [View all]

Rail lines in Europe like SNCF (France) & DB (Germany) are indeed state owned & subsidized.

And just like Amtrak's Acela, only the high speed lines like the TGV cover their operating costs (infographic below):

Meanwhile the legacy routes are highly subsidized to the tune of 75% of overall operating costs (infographic below):

In fact, compared to Europe, Amtrak is a model of cost efficiency with long distance trains like the Empire Builder only requiring a 40% subsidy.



Also, unlike flights, trains have the ability to serve multiple cities on one route: http://www.narprail.org/site/assets/files/1036/nationalnetwork.pdf

Unlike a flight from Chicago to LA, Amtrak's Southwest Chief serves over 30 intermediate stops, or 500 city pairs, on one route - many with no reasonable public transport alternative, much less an airport.

To replace that one train would require over 500 flights - creating orders of magnitude more pollution & greenhouse gasses,

Eliminating service would be discriminatory to those with medical conditions unable to fly or drive. Hopefully those left stranded by any idiotic service cuts launch a class action lawsuit against those responsible.

My credentials are I've traveled over 500,000 km on trains in Canada, the US and Europe. Don't believe me? see my website: https://northamericabyrail.info/

Amtrak has good service.

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Of Course that MF Putin PUppet is Lying.. They want to Destroy Our Cha Mar 2025 #1
Agree 100%. Thanks for the response & for checking out my post, Cha! Hiawatha Pete Mar 2025 #2
You're so Welcome! we have to pass these Facts Cha Mar 2025 #3
+1000 Hiawatha Pete Mar 2025 #4
Good Post Baron2024 Mar 2025 #5
Thanks for the compliment & for checking out my post, Baron2024! Hiawatha Pete Mar 2025 #6
No Problem Baron2024 Mar 2025 #7
I've traveled all over the western USA on Amtrak Trailrider1951 Mar 2025 #8
+1000, Well said Trailrider1951 Hiawatha Pete Mar 2025 #13
Compared to Musk's Hyperlink Retrograde Mar 2025 #9
Agree 100% , Retrograde Hiawatha Pete Mar 2025 #14
Just to chime in, my experiences on Amtrak are way better than on any airline. AmericaUnderSiege Mar 2025 #10
+1 . That's been my experience too, AmericaUnderSiege. n/t Hiawatha Pete Mar 2025 #15
Bus and car companies got rid of trolleys MadameButterfly Mar 2025 #11
+1000 MadameButterfly Hiawatha Pete Mar 2025 #16
Great article MadameButterfly Mar 2025 #23
Train service here in Europe used to be great DFW Mar 2025 #12
Thanks for sharing your insight, DFW! Hiawatha Pete Mar 2025 #18
I usually choose the train, too. DFW Mar 2025 #20
Given your handle, I believe it! For decades I've heard the boarding announcement for the Hiawatha line tritsofme Mar 2025 #17
Thanks for the reply & for checking out my post, Tritsofme! Hiawatha Pete Mar 2025 #19
When Amtrak stops in my city they are gone and on their way within 10 minutes. n/t elocs Mar 2025 #21
I take the Auto Train SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2025 #22
Way to go & thanks for checking out my post, SickOfTheOnePct! Hiawatha Pete Mar 2025 #24
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