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patrice

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14. One would think that DOES violate the "well regulated" requirement of the 2nd Amendment. &
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 02:35 PM
Dec 2012

What do you think of this critique? Lastlib, here at DU, started this conversation several months ago:

Have you noticed a tendency to ignore or outright delete the 3rd comma in the original text of the 2nd Amendment?

The original text of the 2nd Amendment:
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and
bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Though many people have little idea of the mechanics of the logic of independent and subordinate clauses, which is applied by means of commas, the founding fathers were educated men with pretty conservative attitudes towards the grammar and mechanics of English composition, so there's a huge difference in the logic of the 2nd amendment with the 3rd comma that they used, compared to without it.

The 3rd comma makes "the right of the people to keep and bear arms" a SUBORDINATE clause, NOT part of the main clause.

Without the 3rd comma, which apparently is a frequent "mistake" (or people just talk about the amendment as though there is no 3rd comma in it) the main clause seems to be "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" and the other two phrases are modifiers of that sentence.

With the 3rd comma the main clause is, "A well regulated militia, , , shall not be infringed", establishing a REGULATED defense, with 2 subordinate clauses that modify that something like this:

"Militia" in "A well regulated Militia shall not be infringed" is modified by a verbal/participle functioning as an adjective making it a "Militia" "being necessary to the security of a free State".

- and -

"the right of the people to keep and bear Arms" is another verbal, an infinitive in this case, functioning as an appositive noun, which re-states and adds information about the form of the regulated militia as a collective right of the people. That makes it the collective right of the people to a well regulated militia.

Please watch your emails and other places people quote or talk about the 2nd Amendment and see if this is true.

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People are making their political reputations at the expense of others. It's all about ME fuck what patrice Dec 2012 #1
about a year ago, I posted something on in a spiritual nature here sasha031 Dec 2012 #8
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Thank you so much for the advice, it is greatly appreciated patrice, sasha031 Dec 2012 #11
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Argue its exact meaning but the 2nd Amendment is reality. banned from Kos Dec 2012 #3
You know? People wouldn't mind that so much if that's what actually happened. But we get BULLSHIT patrice Dec 2012 #6
Gun porn in the wake of children being massacred michigandem58 Dec 2012 #4
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there is NO right to carry concealed weapons in the constitutution nt msongs Dec 2012 #10
One would think that DOES violate the "well regulated" requirement of the 2nd Amendment. & patrice Dec 2012 #14
Except that the States didn't ratify a version with three commas: needledriver Dec 2012 #20
2 commas? That's only 1. At any rate you still have the modifier, in whole or in part, depending upo patrice Dec 2012 #21
Quite right. Comma counting fail! needledriver Dec 2012 #29
Too many revere the "Founding Fathers" and refuse to go against their will AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #27
Ask the administrators. closeupready Dec 2012 #13
Because it is time that the general DU community intaglio Dec 2012 #15
The gun owners are the real victims in all this. WilliamPitt Dec 2012 #17
sadly...this OP will most likely get locked tjwash Dec 2012 #18
if that's the case, I just contributed to DU sasha031 Dec 2012 #19
Because the Democratic party platform affirms our support for gun rights? Recursion Dec 2012 #22
they have been here consistently sasha031 Dec 2012 #23
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I haven't seen any. Are you looking for them? nt Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #25
They have taken over. Cleita Dec 2012 #26
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