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Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
14. If you're facing an intact US military, you're screwed.
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 02:48 PM
Dec 2012

Not any reasonable doubt about that. And that's what would happen in any Waco-like situation that escalated beyond the ability of law enforcement to deal with...

But what about scenarios of actual widespread insurrection? A civil war, but not in the pattern of our own 19th Century version (with an attempt to form a separate nation), but something more like, say, Syria? Would the US military remain intact and fully under the control of the civilian government in such a scenario?

I'd say that's actually very unlikely. Any cause for such a widespread insurrection, one that had a significant percentage of the people ready to violently oppose the government, would also be a cause that applied to members of the military and their families. Their response to such a cause would more-or-less mirror that of the general population (with some consideration given to the rather conservative lean the current military has). Some would sympathize with the insurrectionists, some would e loyalists. Military training and discipline is NOT going to override those loyalties if the reason for the insurrection is sufficiently compelling.

The result of this spread of opinion would be the fragmentation of the military. It would in some cases split onto opposing factions, but I suspect the more common result would be fragmentation of entire units due to massive defections and AWOL incidents. Defectors would tent to try to take at least personal weapons and easily-transported systems like mortars and man-portable anti-aircraft weapons with them to the other side. The most complex and logistically-demanding systems would fast become unusable.

We have seen similar situations play out in insurrection in other nations. The government forces have an initial advantage, as more of their modern weapons systems remain operable. But at some point (and if they don;t achieve a rapid victory while those systems remain in the game), lack of logistic support starts to even the playing field. At this point, civilian arms tend to have a considerable influence, as the fighting begins to be more of a matter of opposing riflemen and such than of aircraft, armor, artillery, and so forth.

Hopefully, it never comes to this here. I'd expect a much more peaceful dissolution of the Union to be what really happens when this nation as currently constituted runs its course.

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The idea that people have guns to repel the government is a lie. Indydem Dec 2012 #1
The majority of gun nuts I know of say just that - they need to fend off gubmint kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #27
bad choice... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #2
There is only one defense if the government comes after you. Speck Tater Dec 2012 #3
do the romantic fantasies about guns come free with every purchase? unblock Dec 2012 #4
I completely agree Fresh_Start Dec 2012 #5
How about an F-18 or sharp_stick Dec 2012 #6
I don't plan on trying to capture any navy ships ..... oldhippie Dec 2012 #7
my thoughts exactly. the NRA million dollar suits come up with these things graham4anything Dec 2012 #8
The US military arsenal includes small arms similar to the Bushmaster. Lasher Dec 2012 #9
How's that working in Afghanistan? X_Digger Dec 2012 #10
We ought to send a note to the Taliban telling them to surrender already. Kaleva Dec 2012 #11
Revolt has been tried in the US before, 1861-1865, it didn't end well for the revolutionaries Fumesucker Dec 2012 #17
You are giving an example of conventional warfare Kaleva Dec 2012 #18
So which region is going to be engaging in guerrilla warfare for independence? Fumesucker Dec 2012 #19
I'm not trying to say that this is going to happen. Kaleva Dec 2012 #20
lol Hydra Dec 2012 #23
I've got no guns. Never have. Yet the government hasn't bothered me. Imagine that. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #12
Yup, the Vietcong and Taliban were such pushovers! Odin2005 Dec 2012 #13
If you're facing an intact US military, you're screwed. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #14
2 words .. Military Dependants SQUEE Dec 2012 #15
The mujahideen did pretty well (nt) Recursion Dec 2012 #16
You have chosen... Lasher Dec 2012 #21
Meanwhile Fox Noise tells them the end days are coming and they might as well go out in flames. Scuba Dec 2012 #22
If you want to control a population with force, at some level you need OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #24
Matthews has some FUCKING NUT on right now that is speaking about "controlling the government" Stinky The Clown Dec 2012 #25
I saw him. PA Democrat Dec 2012 #26
You are so right guardian Dec 2012 #28
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