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Nasruddin

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48. There was a slim window

Sun Mar 9, 2025, 12:45 PM

Mar 9

You are possibly right, and I don't discount the Bradley-Clinton effect.

But that wave right after she was more or less chosen - it was the moment for a YOLO, wild gambler to charge everywhere.
Go on every news show, talk about fixing stuff, make sure people remember how bad it was and it could be with that other guy.
Go places totally hostile take the beating and get up and do it again. All day, every day. Lots of FOX News. Debate the white supremacists. Everything.

But the campaign got cautious, and tried to replay 2022. It turned out all that latter stuff was so over, and people wanted a barnburner campaign. They didn't want effing Liz Cheney endorsements or Lincoln Project psyops. Dobbs v Jackson had been digested.

It may not have worked anyway because the election might have been baked in the caked months earlier, but it was their only shot. Instead we were all lied to, that we had a real chance, we were ahead, this/that/the other group was going to turn out and stomp the Republicans - all BS (at best) or delusional lies (more likely).

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] Rendville Mar 9 OP

K & R Walz and Bernie both get it. Emile Mar 9 #1

He is correct RJ-MacReady Mar 9 #2

Am I misremembering or didn't we have a similar conversation about celebrities after Hillary's loss? Alice B. Mar 9 #18

Trump got more out of the McDonalds and Garbage Truck stunts than anything the Harris campaign did with celebrities MichMan Mar 9 #54

Most Dems never take enough risks. NewHendoLib Mar 9 #3

Would you if you were making a minimum of $175,000 per year? With free health care and too many perks to list. usaf-vet Mar 9 #21

Sorry we have term limits. It's called elections. Actual term limits would be unconstitutional Walleye Mar 9 #27

Exactly Polybius Mar 9 #45

Come on. As if they don't anyway? Too many if not most of them KPN Mar 9 #47

Yes, but a lame duck elected official feels they don't have to answer to the voters anymore Walleye Mar 9 #72

There is no free health care SickOfTheOnePct Mar 9 #59

Maybe they pay a fee, but it's available to them at a moment's notice. As to the election, who are you kidding. usaf-vet Mar 9 #62

I didn't say anything SickOfTheOnePct Mar 9 #64

You are right we each get to pick who we believe. Some will swear Fox has all the experts. I choose other sources. usaf-vet Mar 9 #69

It wouldn't have made any difference JI7 Mar 9 #4

Quit with the old excuse. True Blue American Mar 9 #11

I don't ignore reality. Trump was a fucked up candidate JI7 Mar 9 #17

I really wish it were "out of date" RandomNumbers Mar 9 #19

That is the unfortunate reality calguy Mar 9 #22

+1. Trump can be defeated by a white man. Biden did it dalton99a Mar 9 #28

There was one thing she could have done something about and didn't MichMan Mar 9 #53

What should she have said? What should she have done differently from the president often compared to FDR? betsuni Mar 9 #60

There was a slim window Nasruddin Mar 9 #48

She did debate the white supremacist when she debated Trump . JI7 Mar 9 #51

I agree that Tim Walz seemed muzzled and came off as a jovial but "fade into the background" grandfatherly hlthe2b Mar 9 #5

There was a lot of focus on Walz as a coach yorkster Mar 9 #55

Same with VP Harris as well MichMan Mar 9 #75

I was screaming this from the fucking rooftops gay texan Mar 9 #6

The tv advertisements in Indiana were all Republican. Emile Mar 9 #8

Biden advertised in my little super deep red area gay texan Mar 9 #14

Ideally, sure, but I think he's forgetting the three month time frame of their campaign. CrispyQ Mar 9 #7

You said it in your first sentence. Thanks True Blue American Mar 9 #10

Flawless for 2012 Nasruddin Mar 9 #49

I think they were hampered by the old Guard. True Blue American Mar 9 #9

He's right Mysterian Mar 9 #12

He's an honest guy. Passages Mar 9 #13

No shit dalton99a Mar 9 #15

Absolutely. And it was sad to see all that energy Nanjeanne Mar 9 #16

Harris/Walz ran an outstanding campaign, but nothing they could do would have mattered DeeDeeNY Mar 9 #20

This is the truth. betsuni Mar 9 #63

Dems always do. Part of being the adults in the room. aeromanKC Mar 9 #23

Democrats fighting the last 'war' ... wake the F*ck up already. NotHardly Mar 9 #24

No, Democrats were fighting an impossible fight against a brain-washed zombie electorate. The only thing that will Martin68 Mar 9 #29

"didn't produce a message that resonated with voters. " Bluetus Mar 9 #25

Frankly I think we Dems played it right. Nothing we could have done or said would have swayed Trump supporters. Martin68 Mar 9 #26

Yeah Johonny Mar 9 #30

And as I say nothing, you can argue will persuade a misogynist or a racist to stop hating Walleye Mar 9 #32

Trump supporters weren't the problem leftstreet Mar 9 #46

Could you please post a link confirming the fact that Harris lost because "millions of Democratic voters didn't show up? Martin68 Mar 9 #50

You can do it. It was all over the news leftstreet Mar 9 #52

OK, so you don't have a clue. Just what I thought. It's just not true. If you want to make extraordinary claims, please, Martin68 Mar 9 #76

LOL leftstreet Mar 9 #77

Shoulda, woulda, coulda, if only. It's called magical thinking and I hate it. What is the point? Walleye Mar 9 #31

Learning from mistakes, big or small,is the only important thing. Boomerproud Mar 9 #37

I grew to like Walz, but it's ironic that he's criticizing us for playing it too safe. W_HAMILTON Mar 9 #33

Yeah, they needed to vote against something and the black woman was a convenient person to vote against Walleye Mar 9 #43

"if we're just careful and don't make mistakes, surely the American people won't elect a convicted felon." paleotn Mar 9 #34

It is 2025! Would it hurt the Dems to be more modern in communications. Maggiemayhem Mar 9 #35

No, Tim. It's not that you did things wrong, it's a function of the declining... NNadir Mar 9 #36

It's hard to rehash the election and also make sure the rules of DU are followed but I do feel that Nanjeanne Mar 9 #38

A lot of people out here in reality dont pay attention to politics, ever, they hear a sound bite or 2 on tv . Srkdqltr Mar 9 #39

Weird! otchmoson Mar 9 #40

Totally agree WA-03 Democrat Mar 9 #42

We don't have the right tools for messaging. Commercial ads are fine but we need 24/7 saturation. Like Fox and the rest. hadEnuf Mar 9 #41

Pretty sure Kali999 Mar 9 #44

Democrats didn't understand 2024 was a "change" election. With the sitting VP as candidate, that meant bold change andym Mar 9 #56

Contrast this with James Carville, who is currently telling Dems to.. yodermon Mar 9 #57

Carville wants company in his crypt! Nanjeanne Mar 9 #58

Consider the timing of this piece. Duncan Grant Mar 9 #61

Hindesight is always 20/20. 99MainSt Mar 9 #65

if we're really doing this post-mortem analysis then we have to go all the way back to the beginning... ecstatic Mar 9 #66

There should have been an ad with Trump saying "There eating the pets, they're eating the dogs....." and Kamila's CTyankee Mar 9 #67

We didn't play it safe liberalmediaaddict Mar 9 #68

"90 million eligible voters just stayed at home" Bluetus Mar 9 #74

"I know his type: TRAITOR!" I'd call the ad, "Air Putins"... Kid Berwyn Mar 9 #70

Too many Democrats were complacent and overconfident in '24. elocs Mar 9 #71

Yep he gets it ! townie Mar 9 #73