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andym

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56. Democrats didn't understand 2024 was a "change" election. With the sitting VP as candidate, that meant bold change
Sun Mar 9, 2025, 01:40 PM
Mar 2025

Last edited Sun Mar 9, 2025, 03:36 PM - Edit history (3)

all the time, being shouted from the rooftops-- Kamala needed to break with Biden with bold plans, which was going to be very difficult as Kamala is loyal. Outside of being VP, she was a natural to be the change candidate, as she is young and energetic.

Being anti-Trump was not enough, because outside of the insurrection, the anti-American value of which was not universally appreciated, Trump didn't do too much damage to the USA in his first term, so voters looked toward the low interest rates during his first term as something they could get again. He handled Covid badly at times, but did allow Operation Warp Speed to succeed. Much of that was because the people in place in the government were knowledgeable like Fauci. Americans have a bad case of "see no evil."

Now I'm sure many are surprised at just how awful Trump's judgment really is when he has surrounded himself with sycophants.

It was champagne and fireworks time at the Trump campaign when Kamala stated she couldn't say what she would have done differently from Joe. I agree with Tim Walz that Kamala and Tim needed to be more bold in their plans.

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K & R Walz and Bernie both get it. Emile Mar 2025 #1
He is correct RJ-MacReady Mar 2025 #2
Am I misremembering or didn't we have a similar conversation about celebrities after Hillary's loss? Alice B. Mar 2025 #18
Trump got more out of the McDonalds and Garbage Truck stunts than anything the Harris campaign did with celebrities MichMan Mar 2025 #54
Most Dems never take enough risks. NewHendoLib Mar 2025 #3
Would you if you were making a minimum of $175,000 per year? With free health care and too many perks to list. usaf-vet Mar 2025 #21
Sorry we have term limits. It's called elections. Actual term limits would be unconstitutional Walleye Mar 2025 #27
Exactly Polybius Mar 2025 #45
Come on. As if they don't anyway? Too many if not most of them KPN Mar 2025 #47
Yes, but a lame duck elected official feels they don't have to answer to the voters anymore Walleye Mar 2025 #72
There is no free health care SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2025 #59
Maybe they pay a fee, but it's available to them at a moment's notice. As to the election, who are you kidding. usaf-vet Mar 2025 #62
I didn't say anything SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2025 #64
You are right we each get to pick who we believe. Some will swear Fox has all the experts. I choose other sources. usaf-vet Mar 2025 #69
It wouldn't have made any difference JI7 Mar 2025 #4
Quit with the old excuse. True Blue American Mar 2025 #11
I don't ignore reality. Trump was a fucked up candidate JI7 Mar 2025 #17
I really wish it were "out of date" RandomNumbers Mar 2025 #19
That is the unfortunate reality calguy Mar 2025 #22
+1. Trump can be defeated by a white man. Biden did it dalton99a Mar 2025 #28
There was one thing she could have done something about and didn't MichMan Mar 2025 #53
What should she have said? What should she have done differently from the president often compared to FDR? betsuni Mar 2025 #60
There was a slim window Nasruddin Mar 2025 #48
She did debate the white supremacist when she debated Trump . JI7 Mar 2025 #51
I agree that Tim Walz seemed muzzled and came off as a jovial but "fade into the background" grandfatherly hlthe2b Mar 2025 #5
There was a lot of focus on Walz as a coach yorkster Mar 2025 #55
Same with VP Harris as well MichMan Mar 2025 #75
I was screaming this from the fucking rooftops gay texan Mar 2025 #6
The tv advertisements in Indiana were all Republican. Emile Mar 2025 #8
Biden advertised in my little super deep red area gay texan Mar 2025 #14
Ideally, sure, but I think he's forgetting the three month time frame of their campaign. CrispyQ Mar 2025 #7
You said it in your first sentence. Thanks True Blue American Mar 2025 #10
Flawless for 2012 Nasruddin Mar 2025 #49
I think they were hampered by the old Guard. True Blue American Mar 2025 #9
He's right Mysterian Mar 2025 #12
He's an honest guy. Passages Mar 2025 #13
No shit dalton99a Mar 2025 #15
Absolutely. And it was sad to see all that energy Nanjeanne Mar 2025 #16
Harris/Walz ran an outstanding campaign, but nothing they could do would have mattered DeeDeeNY Mar 2025 #20
This is the truth. betsuni Mar 2025 #63
Dems always do. Part of being the adults in the room. aeromanKC Mar 2025 #23
Democrats fighting the last 'war' ... wake the F*ck up already. NotHardly Mar 2025 #24
No, Democrats were fighting an impossible fight against a brain-washed zombie electorate. The only thing that will Martin68 Mar 2025 #29
"didn't produce a message that resonated with voters. " Bluetus Mar 2025 #25
Frankly I think we Dems played it right. Nothing we could have done or said would have swayed Trump supporters. Martin68 Mar 2025 #26
Yeah Johonny Mar 2025 #30
And as I say nothing, you can argue will persuade a misogynist or a racist to stop hating Walleye Mar 2025 #32
Trump supporters weren't the problem leftstreet Mar 2025 #46
Could you please post a link confirming the fact that Harris lost because "millions of Democratic voters didn't show up? Martin68 Mar 2025 #50
You can do it. It was all over the news leftstreet Mar 2025 #52
OK, so you don't have a clue. Just what I thought. It's just not true. If you want to make extraordinary claims, please, Martin68 Mar 2025 #76
LOL leftstreet Mar 2025 #77
Shoulda, woulda, coulda, if only. It's called magical thinking and I hate it. What is the point? Walleye Mar 2025 #31
Learning from mistakes, big or small,is the only important thing. Boomerproud Mar 2025 #37
I grew to like Walz, but it's ironic that he's criticizing us for playing it too safe. W_HAMILTON Mar 2025 #33
Yeah, they needed to vote against something and the black woman was a convenient person to vote against Walleye Mar 2025 #43
"if we're just careful and don't make mistakes, surely the American people won't elect a convicted felon." paleotn Mar 2025 #34
It is 2025! Would it hurt the Dems to be more modern in communications. Maggiemayhem Mar 2025 #35
No, Tim. It's not that you did things wrong, it's a function of the declining... NNadir Mar 2025 #36
It's hard to rehash the election and also make sure the rules of DU are followed but I do feel that Nanjeanne Mar 2025 #38
A lot of people out here in reality dont pay attention to politics, ever, they hear a sound bite or 2 on tv . Srkdqltr Mar 2025 #39
Weird! otchmoson Mar 2025 #40
Totally agree WA-03 Democrat Mar 2025 #42
We don't have the right tools for messaging. Commercial ads are fine but we need 24/7 saturation. Like Fox and the rest. hadEnuf Mar 2025 #41
Pretty sure Kali999 Mar 2025 #44
Democrats didn't understand 2024 was a "change" election. With the sitting VP as candidate, that meant bold change andym Mar 2025 #56
Contrast this with James Carville, who is currently telling Dems to.. yodermon Mar 2025 #57
Carville wants company in his crypt! Nanjeanne Mar 2025 #58
Consider the timing of this piece. Duncan Grant Mar 2025 #61
Hindesight is always 20/20. 99MainSt Mar 2025 #65
if we're really doing this post-mortem analysis then we have to go all the way back to the beginning... ecstatic Mar 2025 #66
There should have been an ad with Trump saying "There eating the pets, they're eating the dogs....." and Kamila's CTyankee Mar 2025 #67
We didn't play it safe liberalmediaaddict Mar 2025 #68
"90 million eligible voters just stayed at home" Bluetus Mar 2025 #74
"I know his type: TRAITOR!" I'd call the ad, "Air Putins"... Kid Berwyn Mar 2025 #70
Too many Democrats were complacent and overconfident in '24. elocs Mar 2025 #71
Yep he gets it ! townie Mar 2025 #73
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