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libdem4life

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66. Self-mutilation is not uncommon...for girls it is called "cutting". They do it with razor blades.
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 02:38 PM
Dec 2012

and I have seen it in young children. It is a unconscious cry for help. An adult friend burned himself with cigarettes before leaping off a balcony. He was out in 3 days. He had had much mental health counseling.

Having been in the education system for a long time, I'm guessing Adam was suspended based on observation and/or inappropriate actions in lieu of medication. That is not "homeschooling"...to those who love to denigrate it...in this case it would be Hell for the Mom or anyone with him all day. Maybe he was caught smoking pot, as well...that is really one positive form of calming the emotions, although it can react with others, as well.

I'm guessing that he had had counseling...talk therapy...and it didn't help. It is very limited in effectiveness with serious mental aberrations. Also, he was likely given psychotropic meds that can really fuck with a young emotionally disturbed mind...causing voices, extreme withdrawal, suicidal tendencies, etc. It pisses them off and they can refuse to take it. Try to make a pissed off, disturbed adult son take a pill he doesn't want...not going to happen.

Mental health definitely needs to be increased, but the time, voluminous funds, still experimental nature of many of the drugs and the cocktails (more than 1, often 3 or 4) especially on young children, make it pretty much a wild-ass guessing game. His school had a psychologist who I'm sure did a referral, but they don't do counseling. The terms autistic and Asperger's came out ... vague and hard to pin down, but is consistent with loner, intelligent, etc.

And while these situations are not usually inclined to pre-meditated violence, what does fit is that he had he been put on some new medication/s because it was clear Mom was at her wit's end. There are studies throughout the internet on the terrible potential side effects of some of these psychotropic meds...especially on youth. Prozac and Zyprexa are among the worst. Suicide, increased depression, hearing voices, as mentioned above. Sky is the limit. They can really do a number and yes, it would be possible for him to be either in overdose or withdrawal or new meds or all three and plan revenge on his earlier elementary school.

Which leaves us with Gun Management (not gun control...worn out kneejerk phrase)...Legal Gun Registration.. A process of Education and privilege and oversight and licensing and rules and registration and mechanical upkeep and inspections and insurance and penalties that are required to have the privilege to drive a car. One poster called it Gun DNA.

When grandma gets too old to drive, they take her license. When a kid does something stupid, they take their license. When a drunk gets stopped in a car, jail. Add in a DUI , do time and pay for a very long time. You have to do certain things to get the privilege reinstated.

Ditto guns. A Department of 21st Century version of the Right to Keep and Bear Arms. The private arm... the NRA has stepped way out of its useful bounds and into the proliferation of corporate profits on WMD and profiting over the from the graves of children, shoppers, students, et al., then adds to the fear of those still alive. This, and the media, and blaming the mental health system is all "good news" for them.

Legal gun owners, just like legal drivers, should support this type of program, out of self-preservation. If too many of these horrendous tragedies happen, then yes, the Control Folk with ultimately take over.

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This is really difficult.. Permanut Dec 2012 #1
Yes. If nothing else, mzmolly Dec 2012 #4
This is tragic, and I am not trying to be an insensitive person, but Chorophyll Dec 2012 #2
I completely mzmolly Dec 2012 #3
It probably never occured to her that he had this within him... cynatnite Dec 2012 #5
But she clearly *didn't* think he was getting better. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #6
The conversation was a year ago from what this article says... cynatnite Dec 2012 #8
I agree to an extent, but did she think suicide mzmolly Dec 2012 #9
When a person is burning themselves or hurting themselves like that, it's serious cry for help. Michigan Alum Dec 2012 #47
unless he admitted wanting to hurt others or himself, ejpoeta Dec 2012 #53
+1 nt Live and Learn Dec 2012 #55
The act of burning himself, would fall under the "wanting to hurt himself" mzmolly Dec 2012 #63
Yes, I realized that afterwards. Thank you. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #11
Its possible that he enjoyed and responded well to going to a gun range. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #36
But she had an opportunity to decide whether or not to own mzmolly Dec 2012 #46
But even if the mother wasn't in denial and knew her son needed more help, I don't think most people TheDebbieDee Dec 2012 #50
She should have feared for HIS mzmolly Dec 2012 #7
Yes. At the very least. nt Chorophyll Dec 2012 #10
How do you know the guns were unsecured? HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #14
if he could get a hold of them BainsBane Dec 2012 #17
They could have been secured, and he got access by force or stealth. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #23
fair enough BainsBane Dec 2012 #24
This kid having access to them = unsecured. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #18
Kid could have stolen a spare key from father... HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #22
considering he was 20 and not 2 , why keep them in the home at all JI7 Dec 2012 #20
Exactly. mzmolly Dec 2012 #26
That's certainly a key question, HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #28
She was a survivalist according to family mzmolly Dec 2012 #42
Maybe they weren't unsecured, but he found the key? nt Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #32
I've been asking this question all day. Drunken Irishman Dec 2012 #45
I wonder if she was afraid of him lbrtbell Dec 2012 #51
I've thought that too. Still it appears this woman made many errors in judgment. bklyncowgirl Dec 2012 #54
How many guns do you need in a case like that? Do you need more than one gun Chorophyll Dec 2012 #56
I just can't believe she didn't have the guns locked up. Somehow he gamed the system...he certainly libdem4life Dec 2012 #12
Agree mzmolly Dec 2012 #13
So they'd cite her for a misdemeanor, and tape it on her coffin? Does anyone Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #34
Apparently Nancy Lanza really needed mzmolly Dec 2012 #41
Because there's no way to enforce such a law. That's the point. nt Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #72
I don't think Nancy Lanza would have broken the laws. mzmolly Dec 2012 #73
In 2011 Florida passed a law making it illegal for doctors to ask about guns... hunter Dec 2012 #43
Leave it to Florida. mzmolly Dec 2012 #44
How do you know they weren't? HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #15
well, i can't believe she would keep them in the home at all, and not get rid of them JI7 Dec 2012 #16
Well, yes...but we're looking with 20/20 hindsight. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #31
no, i didn't need something like this to happen to know how fucking stupid it is JI7 Dec 2012 #49
He may not have displayed violence before. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #57
If the article is true, he was violent with himself. mzmolly Dec 2012 #59
she's a wealthy mom that can afford all manner of help but her choice is home schooling? Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2012 #19
Home schooling often involves mzmolly Dec 2012 #29
"trying to feel something?" hfojvt Dec 2012 #21
I would agree, generally. But he had a disorder. mzmolly Dec 2012 #25
Wild speculation or not, that's an interesting theory. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #33
I'm glad it made some sense. mzmolly Dec 2012 #37
Sad. TwilightGardener Dec 2012 #27
everybody on this thread takes the word of a 'drinking buddy' selling her tale to the nydaily news HiPointDem Dec 2012 #30
Do you prefer the New York Post? mzmolly Dec 2012 #35
Well, according to NYDN verse 18 hfojvt Dec 2012 #38
Lanza could not feel physical mzmolly Dec 2012 #40
BTW, Daily News has won ten Pulitzer Prizes. mzmolly Dec 2012 #39
btw, their current editor is a long-time murdoch alumnus. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #48
Are you confusing mzmolly Dec 2012 #60
no HiPointDem Dec 2012 #64
Thanks. I found a bit more information on Myler's transition. mzmolly Dec 2012 #65
my point exactly. if they can't get easily verifiable stuff right, how much less trustworthy is HiPointDem Dec 2012 #67
That's a good point. But we'd discuss very little here in terms of current events, mzmolly Dec 2012 #68
Sounds legit. eShirl Dec 2012 #52
Answer me this. ananda Dec 2012 #58
Goodness mzmolly Dec 2012 #61
I don't know the lady marlakay Dec 2012 #62
Self-mutilation is not uncommon...for girls it is called "cutting". They do it with razor blades. libdem4life Dec 2012 #66
I read this and all I can think is whatthe hell was she doing with deadly weapons floating GumboYaYa Dec 2012 #69
She was comfortable, perhaps too damn comfortable. nc4bo Dec 2012 #71
Obviously, he had way more issues than what we're being told ck4829 Dec 2012 #70
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