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58. But if they are prescribed, and if that is the case here, it means someone diagnosed

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Mon Dec 17, 2012, 03:40 PM

Dec 2012

this person as being psychotic. If that is the case, then why were all those guns kept in the house? I have a family member who has been diagnosed as paranoid schizophrenic and other personality disorders. His family removed all weapons from their home after he showed signs of becoming violent. He was definitely not encouraged to 'learn how to use a gun safely' even though he was interested in guns. Nor were his fantasies about surviving civil unrest entertained by anyone close to him. It was hard to get help as we have no worth while services available for the mentally ill. But eventually with a lot of hard work and time he is now in a stable situation and seems to have the right combination of meds. But his parents were fully aware and lived in fear of him doing something violent so they worked hard to try to prevent it. Without much help from our HC system.

We found out that the last mass murderer had been seen for mental health issues also, and the one before that.

The problem is we never hear the whole story. The story dies down before the public ever learns much about the causes of these tragedies. It's as if they are deliberately being ignored, because either the gun lobby or big pharma has too much of a financial stake in letting the facts come out.

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Asperger�s/Mental Illness/Gun control are Red Herrings? Adam was taking controversial drug FANAPT [View all] No Compromise Dec 2012 OP

Could have been he stopped taking it, too. RomneyLies Dec 2012 #1

Or it could be that this is an unsubstantiated internet rumor posted by a very new poster who has an Squinch Dec 2012 #116

I don't see anything relevant to firearms regulation in this line of questioning. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #160

The title is saying that gun control is a red herring. Squinch Dec 2012 #161

I guess I dismissed the subject line as meaningless babble. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #164

The story I posted is still there- why are you saying that please? No Compromise Dec 2012 #174

Googling "FANAPT" and "Newtown shooter", or "FANAPT and Squinch Dec 2012 #186

The story you posted used another as its source and that source has recanted or at least doesn't uppityperson Dec 2012 #194

or someone paid them to remove it- let the media call the uncle in question and find out No Compromise Dec 2012 #203

look I hate guns, won't have one in the house, I am a vegetarian for God's sake No Compromise Dec 2012 #170

"people have not been resorting to gun violence" Oilwellian Dec 2012 #209

Lawyer DeCamp worked on Columbine and judge would not allow evidence on drugs SugarShack Dec 2012 #157

Anti-psychotic drugs are probably not the chief cause of psychosis. cthulu2016 Dec 2012 #2

Clearly anti-psychotic drugs do not CAUSE psychosis, elleng Dec 2012 #8

When you hear the ads for these drugs, listen when they list side effects. louis-t Dec 2012 #31

Studies on the NIH.GOV website concur green for victory Dec 2012 #67

+1 KoKo Dec 2012 #85

But an anti-depressant and an anti-psychotic are two different things. nt pnwmom Dec 2012 #114

True...but, I'm going to post to you what I did below..Re: Paradoxical Reactions to Drugs KoKo Dec 2012 #196

And, My Personal Reactions to Two Drugs: KoKo Dec 2012 #197

People here are mixing up anti-depressants and anti-psychotics. They're not the same. pnwmom Dec 2012 #119

"unpleasant symptoms" include neuro-malignant syndrome, diabetes, and so on. Official PDR reports Cetacea Dec 2012 #175

I think there are two different issues. pnwmom Dec 2012 #201

But...don't confine this to one particular drug..He must have been on others KoKo Dec 2012 #202

But schizophrenia and psychosis has existed forever . . . if drugs or something pnwmom Dec 2012 #208

And, My Personal Reactions to Two Drugs: (Benadryl being One) KoKo Dec 2012 #210

Remeber though that some have reactions to Penicillin and some to Sulfate drugs KoKo Dec 2012 #211

side effects of Fanapt womanofthehills Dec 2012 #69

and someone prescribed this to him??? elleng Dec 2012 #84

Eventually we should hear. Some of us have thought he might have been on KoKo Dec 2012 #99

that's just about everything! mrsadm Dec 2012 #101

This is like people saying that hospitals are dangerous places because people die of cancer there. pnwmom Dec 2012 #126

Holy Moly, Mother of God.... ReRe Dec 2012 #163

Some anti-depressants have suicidal thoughts as a side effect KittyWampus Dec 2012 #39

'I used to be depressed, now I just want to kill myself' Hugabear Dec 2012 #66

But this isn't an anti-depressant, according to the uncle. It's an anti-psychotic. pnwmom Dec 2012 #129

C'mon. It's got the word "anti" in it... SidDithers Dec 2012 #171

But if they are prescribed, and if that is the case here, it means someone diagnosed sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #58

Some of it may be due to HappyMe Dec 2012 #92

True, but my point was that the family knows and it is then their responsibility to take steps sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #158

What you said, in spades Demeter Dec 2012 #133

It sounds like the mother may have had her own issues. pnwmom Dec 2012 #173

IIRC I saw a set of articles similar to this published by the Scientologists. cliffordu Dec 2012 #3

maybe this is crazy? But let's force the media to pursue this.... No Compromise Dec 2012 #12

We need to end Big Pharma mikeysnot Dec 2012 #107

Yes, get rid of the ads LeftInTX Dec 2012 #128

But if guns are at issue, that must be a red herring. OK. Squinch Dec 2012 #118

I am sorry that I upset you with that headline- I was just adding to the NY Mag headline No Compromise Dec 2012 #180

Except there is no credible source that he was. uppityperson Dec 2012 #199

NY magazine still has it up, guess they haven't been paid off yet No Compromise Dec 2012 #204

If the stories are true, what matters who publishes them? J/S. WinkyDink Dec 2012 #20

the publisher might be a good indication the stories are not true FreeBC Dec 2012 #75

will you believe the US GOV? green for victory Dec 2012 #111

The One and Only time I ever took anti depressants within two weeks CBGLuthier Dec 2012 #4

Dangerous for some, for others they save lives, and lives around them. Care Acutely Dec 2012 #34

you are joking? No Compromise Dec 2012 #36

and I took Zoloft for post-partum and it helped immensely KSstellarcat Dec 2012 #88

My daughter was on depression meds throughout high school, Lexapro and the lowest dosage possible. PATXgirl Dec 2012 #113

And so is femrap Dec 2012 #195

Sometimes it isn't the LACK of access to mental health care, it's the ACCESS itself Duer 157099 Dec 2012 #5

You don't even have to be depressed for a doctor to ohheckyeah Dec 2012 #13

Yes. This is something many people don't realize Duer 157099 Dec 2012 #32

I fell for it once - right after ohheckyeah Dec 2012 #45

I'm starting to get it! green for victory Dec 2012 #62

zyban = wellbutrin, sarafem = prozac. it's criminal. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #127

Different antidepressants work in different ways TexasBushwhacker Dec 2012 #53

I understand that - ohheckyeah Dec 2012 #80

"I had bad side effects and wasn't interested in taking an antidepressant they kept insisting" No Compromise Dec 2012 #183

I wonder if they get kick backs ohheckyeah Dec 2012 #198

Don't doctors already make enough $$ ? What kind of sick bastard would push crap No Compromise Dec 2012 #205

Greedy bastards. ohheckyeah Dec 2012 #212

What is your experience with mental health treatment? upaloopa Dec 2012 #14

Maybe you should read more of the SSRI effects on young people. WinkyDink Dec 2012 #22

You didn't answer my question. I could read books and upaloopa Dec 2012 #38

He was 20 BainsBane Dec 2012 #150

It is clear that (some) meds offer tremendous help to (some) people Duer 157099 Dec 2012 #23

I work for county alcohol drug and mental health services and you? upaloopa Dec 2012 #42

You say "I suffer from depression, anxiety and ADHD . . . meds since 1994" Do they affect your jody Dec 2012 #30

Yes they do if I don't take the meds. upaloopa Dec 2012 #44

Thanks for the reply and I'm so glad you found meds that help you live a normal life. I have several jody Dec 2012 #55

I had trouble when I got back from Vietnam upaloopa Dec 2012 #63

I to was in Vietnam. Have happy holidays brother. jody Dec 2012 #78

Same to you upaloopa Dec 2012 #94

Are you trying to say that people with mental health challenges do not have valid or Care Acutely Dec 2012 #50

If you are asking me I am not saying that upaloopa Dec 2012 #102

A lot of other people seem to be implying that. The amount of discrimation and insensitivity is wack Cetacea Dec 2012 #188

Actually I've been treated for all three. ohheckyeah Dec 2012 #49

I agree everyone is different and so does the medical upaloopa Dec 2012 #57

I agree, upaloopa SCRUBDASHRUB Dec 2012 #83

+111111 cliffordu Dec 2012 #16

The drugs are being given in lieu of more costly counseling and hospitalization. freshwest Dec 2012 #48

Completely agree n/t Duer 157099 Dec 2012 #61

Agree 100%. Bring back the human side of the equation. freshwest Dec 2012 #56

+++1 Careful now, there's NO way, Pharma isn't lurking this issue. & You've just proposed revolution patrice Dec 2012 #124

I blame these shooting on mercury in vaccines... cthulu2016 Dec 2012 #6

you are completely ignoring the possibility of alien possession FreeBC Dec 2012 #79

By any name, still a one-trick pony. nt lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #86

Even factoring that possibliity in, the numerous Skidmore Dec 2012 #7

Millions take anti depressants including myself and don't upaloopa Dec 2012 #9

If you take'em, they're the cause, and if you don't take 'em, they're the cause... cthulu2016 Dec 2012 #17

Exactly. They were in mental health care and its the cause (meds), or they weren't and its the cause riderinthestorm Dec 2012 #60

Millions have guns and never shoot anybody but yet ohheckyeah Dec 2012 #18

Of course, it only has these negative consequences in a small percentage of the population No Compromise Dec 2012 #19

I'm sure it had something to do with $$$$. nt valerief Dec 2012 #106

My 88-yr-old mother has smoked since 25, and doesn't have lung cancer. WHAT'S YOUR IRRELEVANT POINT? WinkyDink Dec 2012 #25

Sadly, when it comes to treating mental illness, the doctors often don't know what they're doing. reformist2 Dec 2012 #10

From drugs.com: psychiatric side effects of fanapt. s-cubed Dec 2012 #11

The treament sounds worse than whatever would be treated by this drug. nt Skip Intro Dec 2012 #15

That particular drug seems to have a shady if not corrupt history. Uncle Joe Dec 2012 #21

I will be waiting to hear from the first MSM source to develop this angle...and waiting no doubt Supersedeas Dec 2012 #89

The FDA works for the good...lNOT!!!!! Gin Dec 2012 #104

Yeah, right, it's the drugs, it's the illness, IT'S NEVER THE GUNS. TwilightGardener Dec 2012 #24

Nobody is saying that. But SSRI drugs + side effects + guns can = homicide/suicide. WinkyDink Dec 2012 #26

Actually, that is what this poster is saying. Gun control as "red herring". TwilightGardener Dec 2012 #40

some people have guns and don't behave this way, so normally we look at cause and effect No Compromise Dec 2012 #70

Actually, I'm perfectly fine with "no one can have guns" as a first TwilightGardener Dec 2012 #81

"some people have guns and don't behave this way." Right. Like Mrs. Lanza. She was a responsible Squinch Dec 2012 #112

+1000. The gunners truly don't want to examine THAT nexus riderinthestorm Dec 2012 #64

Yes--completely agree. TwilightGardener Dec 2012 #76

Yes, well. Haven't you heard? Guns are a red herring. Says this brand new poster. Who is Squinch Dec 2012 #138

The drugs are very bad. Puzzledtraveller Dec 2012 #27

Paxil ended the drugs for my bi-polar daughter HockeyMom Dec 2012 #47

I'm bipolar. I was on Paxil. TrogL Dec 2012 #103

she was lucky marions ghost Dec 2012 #185

Bingo. He killed 26 people with a barrage of Fanapt 11cents Dec 2012 #28

FINALLY. Myrina Dec 2012 #29

I've been on and off anti-depressants since I was 15 justiceischeap Dec 2012 #51

I've been on WellButrin for 6 years ... Myrina Dec 2012 #65

Well, there's the problem. justiceischeap Dec 2012 #68

conspiracy woo bullshit. Clue: it was guns that killed those kids. Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #33

Thank you for posting this. ananda Dec 2012 #35

His mother had a responsibility to have the firearms locked up. Remmah2 Dec 2012 #37

and if not possible to protect them from him 100%, obligation to REMOVE FROM THE HOUSE. elleng Dec 2012 #93

YES ! KILL THE WISE ONE Dec 2012 #146

Most of the time insurance companies won't cover therapy AlphaCentauri Dec 2012 #41

Don't know about 'most of the time.' elleng Dec 2012 #96

employees in the private sector AlphaCentauri Dec 2012 #105

Mom was a public school teacher. Remmah2 Dec 2012 #149

Your tinfoil hat's on too tight. backscatter712 Dec 2012 #43

what is being talked about is when insanely easy access to firearms green for victory Dec 2012 #73

using a gun Lordquinton Dec 2012 #190

kr HiPointDem Dec 2012 #46

An emotionally unstable person pulled that trigger. Gregorian Dec 2012 #52

Top Ten Legal Drugs Linked to Violence No Compromise Dec 2012 #54

You missed one - ALCOHOL! TexasBushwhacker Dec 2012 #91

How many meds do you see advertised daily on TV which list "suicidal thoughts and actions" Fire Walk With Me Dec 2012 #59

my friend wanted to kill herself on Cipro womanofthehills Dec 2012 #71

We definitely need to go "level up" on big pharma, especially where people's and others' lives are Fire Walk With Me Dec 2012 #108

they also mention to see a doctor is you have them Lordquinton Dec 2012 #192

So fucking what? Zoeisright Dec 2012 #72

You seem to be angry that some want to discuss this green for victory Dec 2012 #90

I'd be dead without anti-depressants melody Dec 2012 #74

holy crap trailmonkee Dec 2012 #77

Once again, if guns were not SheilaT Dec 2012 #82

Agreed. SCRUBDASHRUB Dec 2012 #87

The media has gotten so much wrong with this story. GeorgeGist Dec 2012 #95

Right and not unusual, elleng Dec 2012 #100

You drug up kids at a young age, take away their recess and play time, give them violent video games valerief Dec 2012 #97

How much of it is the disease, and how much a reaction to the medication or withdrawal from them? leveymg Dec 2012 #98

Doesn't make gun control a "red herring." yellowcanine Dec 2012 #109

And his mother may have survived to help other mothers learn what to do & what NOT to do. patrice Dec 2012 #117

PHARMA speaking, "No need to change parenting/school/community/culture, just take the right pill!" patrice Dec 2012 #110

I have been on 4 different anti depressants since I was 20. Jennicut Dec 2012 #115

"Paradoxical Effects" on some people with Anti-Depressents...... KoKo Dec 2012 #132

SSRI-Induced Psychosis... redStateBlueHeart Dec 2012 #120

Your OP would be more credible if you didn't say gun control is a red herring. Prometheus Bound Dec 2012 #121

Please note: News reports talking about Fanapt have been withdrawn; 'uncle' may be bogus muriel_volestrangler Dec 2012 #122

Thanks for that....although it's likely he was either on some med or had gone off one KoKo Dec 2012 #134

yes, one size does not fit all. No Compromise Dec 2012 #207

Ah, the Daily News. Such a fortress of quality journalism. progressoid Dec 2012 #135

Yes they are red herrings. All of them. 99Forever Dec 2012 #123

+1. They are all red herrings. No access to guns means nobody gets shut up. Ever. riderinthestorm Dec 2012 #166

Absolutely! 99Forever Dec 2012 #169

This what they RegieRocker Dec 2012 #125

Two thoughts naturallyselected Dec 2012 #130

Hoooooold on a second. progressoid Dec 2012 #131

OP, "***IF*** this were the case, it would not be the first time...." (emphasis added). nt patrice Dec 2012 #136

OP's title says "Adam was taking controversial drug FANAPT" progressoid Dec 2012 #141

IF it were guns that killed these children, THAT wouldn't be the first time either. Squinch Dec 2012 #143

Like saying insulin causes daibetic ketoacidosis since most people who get DKA take insulin. McCamy Taylor Dec 2012 #137

Anyone prescribed these drugs should be put in the NICS registry. Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #139

Bravo! Excellent post! Now we're talking about real solutions green for victory Dec 2012 #154

Thank you for your concern. aquart Dec 2012 #140

The original poster says: Squinch Dec 2012 #147

So who is John2 Dec 2012 #142

BINGO! This is the true heart of the matter, not the guns, though instrumental, the issue is big mother earth Dec 2012 #144

Is this drug widely prescribed only in the US? LanternWaste Dec 2012 #145

Well, that's certainly an unimpeachable source. KamaAina Dec 2012 #148

each entry is sourced green for victory Dec 2012 #152

Someone reaching a different conclusion is not indicative LanternWaste Dec 2012 #156

try this- the database at ssristories is sortable green for victory Dec 2012 #184

To be clear: Autistics Have Empathy for Others. Ilsa Dec 2012 #151

you just explained it in a way I've never heard before renate Dec 2012 #162

You're welcome! My son has been getting training Ilsa Dec 2012 #200

Constitutional rights of privacy mean that no one can get at the drug intake of gun owners. ancianita Dec 2012 #153

So if this were true and not just thought of Cha Dec 2012 #155

There was no uncle. progressoid Dec 2012 #159

Thanks, progressoid Cha Dec 2012 #165

it is linked at the new york daily magazine which has not scrubbed anything No Compromise Dec 2012 #172

Feel free to follow your link to the source. Then cut and paste your proof. progressoid Dec 2012 #177

Thank you for a well-researched post, No Compromise, and WELCOME TO DU!! loudsue Dec 2012 #167

It is not a well researched post. progressoid Dec 2012 #168

Oh ffs... SidDithers Dec 2012 #181

I'm calling bullshit until you come up with a better source... SidDithers Dec 2012 #176

No credible sourcing for the claim about Lanza and the drug. This is tinfoil hat CT crap. n/t RomneyLies Dec 2012 #178

Psychotropic drugs + access to weapons of mass destruction...What could possibly go wrong? Surya Gayatri Dec 2012 #179

26 people, mowed down in minutes, 3 to 11 wounds in each body... countryjake Dec 2012 #182

these drugs are being prescribed within the autism community/ parents are floundering barbaraj Dec 2012 #187

Does it bother anyone else that this poster is on a first name basis thucythucy Dec 2012 #189

It bothers me since the whole OP based on inacurate information. LisaL Dec 2012 #191

NO HE WAS NOT. The article your link uses as its source does not have that on it. uppityperson Dec 2012 #193

could he have killed all those children without his guns? bowens43 Dec 2012 #206

Locking REP Dec 2012 #213