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48. Simple fact: No guns in Lanza home, no dead bodies at Sandy Woods elementary school

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 04:51 PM

Dec 2012

I apologize for the shouting and caps.

I do sympathize with the plight of parents of disturbed children, and agree that it's possible, even probable, that Nancy Lanza did everything she could in trying to help her son with his medical problems.

But she did not do everything humanly possible to avoid this tragedy, and for that, I condemn her. I wish she was alive so I could scream at her. I know that's harsh, but that's how I feel. It's visceral and raw.

The shooter obtained the guns at his own home.

We can speculate that he might have gotten them elsewhere if he really wanted them, but the fact is he didn't need to.

Maybe he would have gotten caught if he tried to use his brothers ID to get them. Maybe he would have gotten caught if he tried to steal them from a neighbor. He didn't have to go through that kind of trouble, because they were in his own home.

Maybe they were in a safe. Big Deal. It didn't work, self-evidently -- the son got them out of there and committed a massacre. No parent can keep control of a key 24/7 (sleep). Any teenager who wants to know mom's passcodes can get them -- guess them, watch mom as she enters them, whatever.

Getting rid of the guns does stop gun deaths. Australians know this and acted accordingly. Brits know this and acted accordingly.

Are Americans as civilized as Aussies? Do we love our children as much as the British do?

Do we?

If so, we should follow their lead and get rid of the guns. And the first step in doing so is recognizing that yes, indeed, guns are the problem. Get rid of the guns, end the gun massacres.

Nancy Lanza did not get rid of her guns. There was a gun massacre at Sandy Woods elementary school using her guns. Because Nancy Lanza did not love her children more than she loved her guns, other parents lost their children to bullets.

Sorry again for the shouting. I appreciated the tweets you posted keeping me up to date on the Egyptian revolution, and should not have been rude to you. I'm really sorry.

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Anyone with a child like Adam Lanza should [View all] Sienna86 Dec 2012 OP

In every one of these mass shootings . . . DanM Dec 2012 #1

THIS. These crazy people need a goddamn Scarlet Letter! Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #8

I was diagnosed as bipolar in August, spent 3 weeks in a psych day program in Sept. Denninmi Dec 2012 #42

Why not? Lots of people want to paint me with one for being a gun owner. Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #43

Nice. Denninmi Dec 2012 #44

OK Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #45

So you're saying the authorities should have had the power thucythucy Dec 2012 #10

Who gives a shit about the NRA anymore? laundry_queen Dec 2012 #49

I was responding to DanM, who thucythucy Dec 2012 #59

okay, I misunderstood. Sorry. laundry_queen Dec 2012 #63

I suggested this after the August shootings in College Station, TX sadbear Dec 2012 #12

Here's one I remember from the August shooting: sadbear Dec 2012 #13

So, the cops should have a list of mentally ill people in the area obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #27

What's next? ElbarDee Dec 2012 #29

Some of the suggestions are really disturbing obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #57

But they aren't allowed to track guns that are sold between individuals within state lines. Squinch Dec 2012 #55

This post makes no sense, what-so-ever. Fawke Em Dec 2012 #53

Our laws make it impossible for "these people" to be flagged in the NICS database, because Squinch Dec 2012 #54

What happens if the guardian of the child is just as whacked out as the kid is? NNN0LHI Dec 2012 #2

money was not an issue for this family. lapfog_1 Dec 2012 #3

Yes, and I read that dad makes a million dollars per year working for GE WI_DEM Dec 2012 #16

My kid got her nose pierced and is dating a pot head. I'm calling that hot line right now! Bucky Dec 2012 #4

This mother had the means to get him help Marrah_G Dec 2012 #5

The 60 minutes story leads me to believe she did Major Nikon Dec 2012 #9

From what I understand she did. If he was on Fanapt, he was getting his prescription from an MD Catherina Dec 2012 #14

yikes Marrah_G Dec 2012 #17

Here is something else very sad Catherina Dec 2012 #20

so well said No Compromise Dec 2012 #25

Great post malaise Dec 2012 #35

I second that this deserves its own thread. nt DeschutesRiver Dec 2012 #37

Thanks very much to the three of you Catherina Dec 2012 #47

interesting No Compromise Dec 2012 #18

Welcome to DU! hrmjustin Dec 2012 #23

media is starting to report on this No Compromise Dec 2012 #19

I hope they run with it and talk about it Catherina Dec 2012 #21

Your post should be its' own thread, Catherina. Uncle Joe Dec 2012 #22

Feel free to steal and repost Catherina Dec 2012 #39

"if he was on Fanapt" - speculation on your part, or have you a source? muriel_volestrangler Dec 2012 #24

I watched his uncle state that in a video. n/t Catherina Dec 2012 #33

There are web rumours that man was lying about being the uncle muriel_volestrangler Dec 2012 #40

Interesting. Catherina Dec 2012 #46

Holy crap. That is terrifying. hifiguy Dec 2012 #28

I agree with you that they're sometimes necessary Catherina Dec 2012 #36

NO, the mother did NOT do all she humanly could. Dems to Win Dec 2012 #38

Like I'm going to take your screaming assertions over the testimony Catherina Dec 2012 #41

Simple fact: No guns in Lanza home, no dead bodies at Sandy Woods elementary school Dems to Win Dec 2012 #48

Damn you lol Catherina Dec 2012 #60

There is not credible source that he was on fanapt. Every page sources back to 1 place that has pull uppityperson Dec 2012 #62

I just met with a parent LWolf Dec 2012 #6

Doesn't work for adult children jeff47 Dec 2012 #7

Anyone with a child like AL shouldn't keep guns stockpiled thucythucy Dec 2012 #11

Anyone with a child like Adam Lanza shouldn't be taking him to firing ranges WI_DEM Dec 2012 #15

I would love to see his school records HockeyMom Dec 2012 #31

^^^^^Exactly!^^^^ Squinch Dec 2012 #52

Agree 100%. blm Dec 2012 #26

"Odd/different" people have always existed, BUT SoCalDem Dec 2012 #30

Mental illness is predictable. demosincebirth Dec 2012 #32

AND anyone with a child like him should either keep their dangerous toys locked up kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #34

Shoulda/woulda/coulda. She didn't. That's the reality of a lot of gun owners. AND these people have ancianita Dec 2012 #50

This family had enough money to get any mental health assistance they wanted. Squinch Dec 2012 #51

Not after he's 18. He's an adult, and a parent MineralMan Dec 2012 #56

But I mean that any government-provided free or accessible mental health service wouldn't have Squinch Dec 2012 #58

When you make a cool million Catherina Dec 2012 #61

The original post is saying that QUOTE: "any family with a child like Adam Lanza should be able to Squinch Dec 2012 #64