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ieoeja

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100. Your first post of this subthread: "So

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 05:02 PM

Dec 2012

"Soldiers are afraid?

"Police are afraid?"

I was commenting on the thread in total when talking about "fear". I believe you made that post knowing it would eviserate the reasoning of the post to which you were replying in regards to soldiers and police because s/he would then be calling them "cowards". In my opinion that was a dirty trick on your part, and I chose to challenge it.

As to your latest question, I oppose retired cops becoming a separate class of citizen with more rights than the rest of us. I would support open carry for all before I would support that.

And my past support for open carry has waned due to people's reactions to African-Americans having that right. Again, I oppose Whites becoming a separate class of citizen with more rights than others. That separate class would not legally exist. But I am pretty certain it would exist in application.

"Waned" not entirely "gone". It's a chicken and egg thing. If AA are allowed to carry, White people might learn that the vast majority of the AA community are law abiding citizens. If they are never allowed to carry, will Whites learn? Also, in one of the recent incidents, while the NRA, local media and general populace reaction was racist as hell, the Police actually treated both incidents equally and the law was applied equally. Thought I'm not naive enough to believe that it will be applied equally overall.

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Why do so many on DU seem to be against concealed carry? [View all] justanidea Dec 2012 OP

I am very liberal and have a CCW permit obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #1

So why is it I never find it SheilaT Dec 2012 #8

Why is your decision somehow better than mine? obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #13

I have driven on some pretty isolated interstates in my time. SheilaT Dec 2012 #21

"Never feel the need to carry anything with me. " oldhippie Dec 2012 #80

Ever had car trouble and broken down on the side of the road? Bake Dec 2012 #98

Happened to me bongbong Dec 2012 #127

They need to be armed all the time bongbong Dec 2012 #126

Cause nobody can steal her lack of gun from her and shoot somebody with it? renie408 Dec 2012 #102

+1 shireen Dec 2012 #138

May I ask you how will you be able to use Harmony Blue Dec 2012 #15

Several years ago my wife was beaten and robbed axetogrind Dec 2012 #17

Wouldn't it be MORE prophylactic to ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #24

+1...nt SidDithers Dec 2012 #36

It also gets you stopped by the police a lot. axetogrind Dec 2012 #43

It is perfectly legal to carry openly ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #59

Her main reason for concealed rather than open axetogrind Dec 2012 #68

BTW ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #72

Believe it or not, axetogrind Dec 2012 #73

Open carry is more effective. bluestate10 Dec 2012 #124

She was beaten and robbed at close range Harmony Blue Dec 2012 #28

Not necessarily true axetogrind Dec 2012 #45

The training on situational awareness is more valuable than the gun. bluestate10 Dec 2012 #125

All very good points. axetogrind Dec 2012 #137

Same here. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #65

Why don't you just save the pro-gun crap for a while. HERVEPA Dec 2012 #2

Yeah, I think it's appropriate to use a pro-gun tactic in this situation. sadbear Dec 2012 #3

so at a time when everyone MrDiaz Dec 2012 #104

Yeah, how dare he use logic and reasoning?! Lightbulb_on Dec 2012 #76

Hell yeah it's a time for outrage! HERVEPA Dec 2012 #93

I prefer logic and rationality... Lightbulb_on Dec 2012 #97

Recognition by politiciian of the outrage is the only thing that will get something done. HERVEPA Dec 2012 #119

This message was self-deleted by its author Lightbulb_on Dec 2012 #95

Well.. ananda Dec 2012 #4

Solving violent problems with violent solutions only perpetuates more violence. modem77 Dec 2012 #5

As a whole that may be true, but when you move from the abstract to the personal ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #75

Let's start with getting the Pentagon and the MIC to accept that. L0oniX Dec 2012 #109

I wish you had OPEN carry HockeyMom Dec 2012 #6

Me too. Mass Dec 2012 #11

Agree! DanM Dec 2012 #39

Concealed carry, open carry, SheilaT Dec 2012 #7

Because this is 2012, not the wild west. nt sufrommich Dec 2012 #9

Every time I see these post about caring a gun movonne Dec 2012 #50

Because we live in reality Harmony Blue Dec 2012 #10

Do I not have a right to know who is carrying a loaded gun around me and my child? n/t cynatnite Dec 2012 #12

Of course we do! n/t DanM Dec 2012 #41

Yes, you do. (nt) ehrenfeucht games Dec 2012 #81

Because Republicans like guns. nt rrneck Dec 2012 #14

^^^ This Recursion Dec 2012 #29

Because I don't want to live in a society where everybody is walking around armed Downtown Hound Dec 2012 #16

I understand what youre saying justanidea Dec 2012 #19

I avoid situations where I'm likely to be struck by lightning too Fumesucker Dec 2012 #26

A gun owner is more likely to be killed by their own weapon Harmony Blue Dec 2012 #32

If it is true that you have a better chance of being struck by lightning... Not Me Dec 2012 #33

I live in the lightning capital of the world (Tampa Bay) Harmony Blue Dec 2012 #38

automatic weapon qkvhj Dec 2012 #105

Stop with the gun propaganda please! upaloopa Dec 2012 #37

Unfortunately, enlightenment Dec 2012 #60

The unjustified shootings are even less likely if you don't have a gun. Hoyt Dec 2012 #130

Yeah, and the odds that those kids would be killed in a school mass shooting were pretty small too Downtown Hound Dec 2012 #166

Because I want to know who to avoid when I'm in public places Fumesucker Dec 2012 #18

It is truly amazing what gun ownership does to a person. Tutonic Dec 2012 #20

Adding more and more guns isn't a solution get the red out Dec 2012 #22

I don't care about concealed carry myself bhikkhu Dec 2012 #23

Question. llmart Dec 2012 #131

In Oregon it goes through the sheriff and the state police bhikkhu Dec 2012 #153

Sounds about the same as in Michigan. llmart Dec 2012 #155

Because we've tried concealed carry and it only makes matters worse. n/t RomneyLies Dec 2012 #25

*citation needed* justanidea Dec 2012 #30

I cite 20 dead first graders in Connecticut nt RomneyLies Dec 2012 #40

And that has to do with concealed carry how? justanidea Dec 2012 #47

Error! Error! Error! Does not compute! guardian Dec 2012 #110

Wow! A pro-gun advocate AND thucythucy Dec 2012 #143

Sure I do guardian Dec 2012 #146

Good for you. I'm glad we agree on all the things you listed. thucythucy Dec 2012 #164

But that had nothing to to with conceal carry. axetogrind Dec 2012 #48

That's like citing rap music because your coffee tasted bad. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #67

No, it's like citing the bad taste in your mouth as evidence that the coffee tasted bad. ThatPoetGuy Dec 2012 #120

This is my thinking. Everyone around the carrier is in danger. upaloopa Dec 2012 #27

People can get guns without having to have a mental health assessment gollygee Dec 2012 #31

We are looking at the tree, one tree, and not the forest. The Lord Fuzz Dec 2012 #34

I'm with you except "one gun per person, per household". Different types of game require different Erose999 Dec 2012 #56

I like your thoughts in this post. llmart Dec 2012 #133

Why do you need to conceal carry?... SidDithers Dec 2012 #35

If you're a licensed, bonded courier or a PI, jobs that involve mortal danger, fine. Otherwise, no. leveymg Dec 2012 #42

So the only people who are attacked or victimized justanidea Dec 2012 #49

Get a license, call the cops, or hire a licensed bodyguard with a concealed carry permit. leveymg Dec 2012 #55

Because I don't want fellow citizens without a badge policing MY public spaces. nt Comrade_McKenzie Dec 2012 #44

Because I know more than one alcoholic that has one loyalsister Dec 2012 #46

No joke. Not to mention folks on prescription drugs that affect judgement. Hoyt Dec 2012 #132

I might consider it if a rigorous psych evaluation were a requirement. kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #51

Do the rest of us (more than half of the nation) who do not own guns Skidmore Dec 2012 #52

I don't like guns. I don't like what guns do to people. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2012 #53

How's about... 99Forever Dec 2012 #54

Once again, that has nothing to do with concealed carry. justanidea Dec 2012 #58

This is an open discussion forum... 99Forever Dec 2012 #71

You can discuss them, but it is not relevant to the topic joeglow3 Dec 2012 #88

You are gawddamn right I not only CAN discuss your fellow gun nut's ... 99Forever Dec 2012 #90

Seriously? OneMoreDemocrat Dec 2012 #161

Because it's a nutty RW idea promoted by ALEC, which is counterproductive even to those who carry Major Nikon Dec 2012 #57

Why am I seeing all the Concealed Carry ads on DU? Coyotl Dec 2012 #61

The ads are on your computer only liberal N proud Dec 2012 #64

That is not true. Coyotl Dec 2012 #99

Cookies are the advertisers best friend liberal N proud Dec 2012 #135

Fine, you asked. Savannahmann Dec 2012 #62

I agree with everything you have just posted! CTyankee Dec 2012 #69

EXCELLENT post... YvonneCa Dec 2012 #74

Perfect response! truegrit44 Dec 2012 #86

Let's see... liberal N proud Dec 2012 #63

Here's Why RobinA Dec 2012 #66

Let me ask an alternate question... Moral Compass Dec 2012 #70

People who carry weapons are, by definition, afraid. Speck Tater Dec 2012 #77

So.. LP2K12 Dec 2012 #82

Beyond silly response. COLGATE4 Dec 2012 #83

Well.. LP2K12 Dec 2012 #84

And you are the first veteran of either I have seen deny they were afraid when on duty. ieoeja Dec 2012 #94

My post LP2K12 Dec 2012 #96

Your first post of this subthread: "So ieoeja Dec 2012 #100

I actually have no issue with your thoughts in this post... LP2K12 Dec 2012 #129

Any veteran of the police or armed forces that retires Speck Tater Dec 2012 #115

I think you're missing the point of the OP. COLGATE4 Dec 2012 #123

Would you go to war without a gun? Speck Tater Dec 2012 #111

Where's the mall? LP2K12 Dec 2012 #128

Speaking from experience. Glassunion Dec 2012 #140

+1 ...yea they are cowards too. L0oniX Dec 2012 #114

We have the example of the brave US soldier using a gun to kill and being called a hero. L0oniX Dec 2012 #112

When your life is in danger you are WISE to be afraid. Speck Tater Dec 2012 #117

When I had a gun in my purse, I didn't like what was in my head. aquart Dec 2012 #78

people who think they need a gun to protect them should not be the ones to have a gun IMHO graham4anything Dec 2012 #79

The Pentagon, MIC and US soldiers do not agree. L0oniX Dec 2012 #113

Private citizens who think they need a gun to protect them are the ones that don't need it graham4anything Dec 2012 #116

A far better question is why some support it. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2012 #85

I used to carry because of snakes and coyotes on the farm I worked on Recursion Dec 2012 #87

Because I don't live in a demon-haunted world. Gormy Cuss Dec 2012 #89

Well, for one, this isn't the Wild West anymore. . . . BigDemVoter Dec 2012 #91

I will put it this way. nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #92

Because it's Insane and a Recipe for Disaster Eric the Reddish Dec 2012 #101

Thats weird. justanidea Dec 2012 #122

because there is no valid reason that ANYONE should carry a concealed weapon. bowens43 Dec 2012 #103

ANYONE? guardian Dec 2012 #136

because being surrounded by fearful, paranoid, and armed people... mike_c Dec 2012 #106

I don't want to be shot because my music is too loud BainsBane Dec 2012 #107

i like to wear hoodies Algebra Palin Dec 2012 #108

Just don't arm yourself with Skittles and Arizona Iced Tea and you'll be fine. Glassunion Dec 2012 #142

BS stats would not include Sandy Hook (not by guns owner) assholes who abuse SYG." Accidents" bettyellen Dec 2012 #118

I am not opposed to concealed carry. But I don't see how carrying solves the problem bluestate10 Dec 2012 #121

So you think "calm reasoning" guardian Dec 2012 #147

A few days ago, decayincl Dec 2012 #134

Why are you against civilization? DainBramaged Dec 2012 #139

Every American should be required to own a flame thrower. tledford Dec 2012 #141

Cool strawman bro. justanidea Dec 2012 #149

I would prefer to keep the children in my family away from guns. thucythucy Dec 2012 #144

In addition to my answer above, I ask you thucythucy Dec 2012 #145

I've seen that video many times before. justanidea Dec 2012 #150

Baggy t-shirts (and pants) are a staple thucythucy Dec 2012 #162

Oh, I dunno. I guess I'd just prefer to see the metal death-projectile machine coming toward me Chorophyll Dec 2012 #148

Many believe all guns are bad and evil letemrot Dec 2012 #151

In Michigan, concealed carry is now inextricably linked with schools, MichiganVote Dec 2012 #152

Because the lie of "gun rights" has made us a less civil society. GoneOffShore Dec 2012 #154

Secrecy about deadly weapons seems very sneaky and underhanded to me. kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #156

There is no reason to have to conceal carry rustydog Dec 2012 #157

Self-defense? justanidea Dec 2012 #158

I've said this before rustydog Dec 2012 #160

I do in home therapy and most of my clients have been court mandated. Bosso 63 Dec 2012 #159

Two words for me: Trayvon Martin. Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2012 #163

Because more guns don't make a society more polite. Arkana Dec 2012 #165