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51. Iraq War is very valid aspect

Fri Mar 14, 2025, 01:58 PM

Mar 2025

and while I'm at it.

Would Joe Biden have won absent Trump? Was he popular as a VP, before Trump? I don't know. Did they do polls?

Democrats pitch to upper middle class voters with tax cuts, loan forgiveness, entrepreneurship. Harris $50K tax credits to start a home business. Working class folks have no idea how to sell tomatoes let alone call it a business. We ran a suburbs with sidewalks platform paired with lgbtq tolerance and it got divided by Gaza anger.

Trump ran on feel good trust me and don't you want gold sneakers. Ridiculous tangibles, but tangible nonetheless.

We're not helping working class people. We're only showing them a path up, but they don't understand it.

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If the choice were Buttigieg and Newsom, which way would you lean? nt [View all] LAS14 Mar 2025 OP

Neither Blue Full Moon Mar 2025 #1

Care to share your reasons? nt LAS14 Mar 2025 #8

I agree with neither rollin74 Mar 2025 #64

Mayor Pete. multigraincracker Mar 2025 #2

Buttigieg, but the republicans and others will not vote for him. Bread and Circuses Mar 2025 #3

This is my response as well. They can't even vote for a woman yet and we are travelingthrulife Mar 2025 #11

Newsom. nt LexVegas Mar 2025 #4

Any reason other than electability? nt LAS14 Mar 2025 #5

At this point, he is a more engaging candidate for me personally. That could certainly change in the coming years. nt LexVegas Mar 2025 #15

Is there anything else that matters? maxsolomon Mar 2025 #20

Newsom. To me he is the stronger of the two. I would still choose Kamala over these two gentlemen. Trueblue1968 Mar 2025 #94

Not first course on my menu JCMach1 Mar 2025 #6

Josh Shapiro OLDMDDEM Mar 2025 #78

Also Walz is an entree. Pritzker JCMach1 Mar 2025 #86

Neither awesomerwb1 Mar 2025 #7

Personal choice would be Buttigieg mvd Mar 2025 #9

Might it be that his very first podcast platformed a raging Nazi misogynist? LearnedHand Mar 2025 #38

Yep mvd Mar 2025 #62

Either would be good BlueKota Mar 2025 #10

Tim Walz and Gretchen Whitmer bamagal62 Mar 2025 #12

Good ticket. Visa Versa would work for me also. brush Mar 2025 #36

Pritzker obamanut2012 Mar 2025 #13

Yes! I forgot about Pritzker!!! bamagal62 Mar 2025 #72

He is excellent but.... OnDoutside Mar 2025 #100

Neither. But at least I like Pete. Nanjeanne Mar 2025 #14

I think the argument that Newsom is more 'electable' stopdiggin Mar 2025 #16

I'm a Californian & Gavin moonscape Mar 2025 #25

there's a tiny smattering of 'populism' in there stopdiggin Mar 2025 #107

Buttigieg. He's authentic. nt greyl Mar 2025 #17

That's the secret sauce! nt LAS14 Mar 2025 #39

And brilliant Easterncedar Mar 2025 #58

I lean toward the person who wins the nomination. maxsolomon Mar 2025 #18

By 2028 Hillary would beat any Republican. oasis Mar 2025 #19

By 2028 hopefully moonscape Mar 2025 #26

Hillary is 77 years old and lost votes years ago due to perception of her health.... Melon Mar 2025 #111

Not to worry because Hill won't run. If she oasis Mar 2025 #113

Post removed Post removed Mar 2025 #21

Newsom. He's leftist enough for me and CA has a lot of electoral votes. Ping Tung Mar 2025 #22

Buttigieg, hands down. Think. Again. Mar 2025 #23

Newsom has marriage baggage. He once married Kimberly Gargoyle. Nanuke Mar 2025 #24

Which does lead one to question his judgement. nt LAS14 Mar 2025 #43

We don't have a candidate to sell to small town uneducated conservative values. bucolic_frolic Mar 2025 #27

Obama was also buoyed by powerful antiwar sentiment leftstreet Mar 2025 #33

Iraq War is very valid aspect bucolic_frolic Mar 2025 #51

I like Pete a little better but Newsom is more electable. BlueTsunami2018 Mar 2025 #28

Newsom - because he'll win. ElementaryPenguin Mar 2025 #29

Buttigieg. I don't know about his electability, but the same applies to Newsom. JohnSJ Mar 2025 #30

niether Kali999 Mar 2025 #31

I actually liked both Kali999 Mar 2025 #34

Newsom. Have to be pragmatic given marraige equality issue.. brush Mar 2025 #32

I choose Walz. Emile Mar 2025 #35

I think he's a good option. If we ever have another election. Scrivener7 Mar 2025 #41

Round two with Vance? Polybius Mar 2025 #115

How about a cross between the two, NuttenigSon Beringia Mar 2025 #37

For President? Buttigieg is better, but Newsom is electable. We are not far enough down that road. Scrivener7 Mar 2025 #40

"We need a guy who could be cast in a Lifetime movie as a president." LAS14 Mar 2025 #42

Stuff like that has LONG mattered. Celebrity is how trump won. Callie1979 Mar 2025 #77

Don't know SocialDemocrat61 Mar 2025 #44

Geesh that was a far more difficult question once the thoughts started coming. So many allegorical oracle Mar 2025 #45

" But many of my Dem friends had the opposite reaction -- and it wasn't about his personal choices. " LAS14 Mar 2025 #56

Oh, they mentioned that he was "stiff" and "was only a mayor," one even said he was "too nice". To allegorical oracle Mar 2025 #81

I really like Tim Walz. Haggard Celine Mar 2025 #109

Of those two....Newsom Mountainguy Mar 2025 #46

Neither can win a national election, IMO. But I'll vote for either one of them if they win the primary. beaglelover Mar 2025 #47

Buttigieg by a country mile Rob H. Mar 2025 #48

Much as I respect and admire Buttigieg, Republicans would wage a very, very ugly campaign against him. sop Mar 2025 #49

Seriously? Nikossitti Mar 2025 #50

Walz ratchiweenie Mar 2025 #52

If the choice were only one or the other I'd go with Buttigieg. Ocelot II Mar 2025 #53

Honestly, I don't think either of them Bettie Mar 2025 #54

I'll never vote for Newsom krawhitham Mar 2025 #55

I'd vote for a fire hydrant if it was running against a republican. Scrivener7 Mar 2025 #119

I'd vote for Pete Buttigieg! Sun-Moon Mar 2025 #57

I am not particularly happy with Newsome...I hope we have others who will run... Demsrule86 Mar 2025 #59

Pete AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2025 #60

The Rhode's Scholar. PETE. slumcamper Mar 2025 #61

Neither ,- Love Pete Buttigieg-- But, LGBTQ/Marriage stuff, might be Ars Longa Mar 2025 #63

Pete. He's smart AF. Efilroft Sul Mar 2025 #65

A person w/high emotional intelligence like Clinton who can win over "regular people." kerry-is-my-prez Mar 2025 #66

I support Batman, it is apparent that Americans want to be entertained. Dan Mar 2025 #67

Sadly, too true. Democracy is in trouble for just that reason. nt LAS14 Mar 2025 #75

I think that the Joker markodochartaigh Mar 2025 #91

Of those two, Buttigieg by a wide margin EdmondDantes_ Mar 2025 #68

Newsom BannonsLiver Mar 2025 #69

We need a macho ticket, Mark Kelly, Wes Moore, radius777 Mar 2025 #70

Not a bad idea. And you're right about "environment" Callie1979 Mar 2025 #80

We need a BRAINS ticket. Buttigieg/Maddow. milestogo Mar 2025 #88

Just for the record, Pete served. EndlessWire Mar 2025 #92

I love Pete, but I don't know that either is electable. I'm at a loss. I really, really, really wanted to see a woman Vinca Mar 2025 #71

Newsom because getting elected is much more important to me elocs Mar 2025 #73

Buttigieg every day of the week and twice on Sundays pinkstarburst Mar 2025 #74

Shapiro. Callie1979 Mar 2025 #76

Beshear/Whitmer...either order. n/t CincyDem Mar 2025 #79

Pete gblady Mar 2025 #82

I'm not caring anymore about "firsts". We need to win!! Wanderlust988 Mar 2025 #83

Do you really think EndlessWire Mar 2025 #95

Neither one. doc03 Mar 2025 #84

Both are so... Mike Nelson Mar 2025 #85

Seriously? Buttigieg, of course. milestogo Mar 2025 #87

Tim Walz n/t aocommunalpunch Mar 2025 #89

Lean 180 degrees at Buttigieg. Voltaire2 Mar 2025 #90

Let's get real anamnua Mar 2025 #93

Let's do get real. EndlessWire Mar 2025 #99

Mayor Pete. Hands down...nt SidDithers Mar 2025 #96

Definitely Newsom Raine Mar 2025 #97

Newsom has more chance to win but prefer Buttigieg. PufPuf23 Mar 2025 #98

Newsom because he's my Governor Demovictory9 Mar 2025 #101

Whitmer. MontanaFarmer Mar 2025 #102

Newsom/Buttigieg '28 Deep State Witch Mar 2025 #103

Neither. Neither could get elected president. n/t valleyrogue Mar 2025 #104

Walz is really beginning to be a hero. I'd happily vote for him. Scrivener7 Mar 2025 #105

Buttigieg. N/t ObamaKerryDem Mar 2025 #106

Newsom ZRB Mar 2025 #108

Newsom. H2O Man Mar 2025 #110

Neither....hoping Mark Cuban gets more into politics. Melon Mar 2025 #112

Shapiro flamingdem Mar 2025 #114

Gavin Polybius Mar 2025 #116

Neither can win now imo Meowmee Mar 2025 #117

Are these the only 2 choices 3.75 years from the next Presidential election? DiamondShark Mar 2025 #118