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Catherina

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60. Damn you lol
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 06:43 PM
Dec 2012

Last edited Mon Dec 17, 2012, 07:17 PM - Edit history (1)

for pre-empting my extremely clever retort.

I'll just say this. Years ago when I was living in a red state desert, a man tried to break into my home hours after I'd been sunbathing in the backyard. The next morning I went out and bought 2 guns to kill any such horrible intruder as mercilessly as I kill the mice who dare enter my home. I have nothing against guns for self defense and I'm not very concerned about people who use them for *sport* even though I find the concept of it being any kind of *sport* ludicrous.

I understand your anger, and even empathize with it because there are 20 innocent kids who won't ever see another *sporting* sunshine but we don't know any details here.

For all we know, those guns were locked up and under triple lock. We have no idea. She was butchered in cold blood and can't tell us what extremes she went through to keep her guns away from a child she realized was becoming a frightening stranger.

I prefer a US with no guns and support fun legislation but first I support creating a society where people don't feel they need those guns (like I did because it took the police almost an hour to get to my home while my neighbor pinned that scum for the eternity before they arrived) but I believe our problem is a LOT deeper than guns vs no guns.

What is it in our society that makes men think they can just break into a woman's home to rape her (or worse)? What is it that makes our classrooms so large and our teachers so disrespected that they can barely weigh in on any problems their students are having? And even when those teachers manage, they're ignored?

Bright children like Adam Lanza, Dylan Klebold, Luka Magnotta, James Holmes are falling through the cracks while given chemical concoctions we don't even understand to "save" them. Only they don't save them and the problem is exacerbated as the pile of corpses just grows higher.

That's where I'm coming from.

Maybe if she hadn't taken him to the range and she didn;t have guns in the house, he would only have have 1-5 victims but that's not a solution, just a reduction of effect.

We have no idea where those guns were or what the last few hours in that home were.

It's even possible she told him she loved him but he was losing it right before the murders as she slept with the keys to the gun cabinet under her pillow so he shot her to get at them. We will never know unless forensics is damn good and shares with us.

I agree that having guns in the house did NOT help but I don't agree they were the problem. I think the problem is much deeper than that and that we need to look at ourselves quickly and answer some very hard questions because as the economic situation here gets worse, these crimes are going to keep increasing and before you know it, or I know it, the perpetrator will be someone we know or love.

(No worries about the shouting.)


There's one other thing I'm going to say here and it has little to do with our exchange but I really want to get it off my chest because it hurts, Hurts, HURTS!

America. We slay so many children around the world. Our military is now officially allowed to kill children and we expect psychotics in our society to respect kids here just because they're "ours"? How can they when someone as sane as I can't understand this double standard? I think a little respect for other lives and our own lives would go a hell of a fucking long way. America, your hypocrisy breaks my heart.






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In every one of these mass shootings . . . DanM Dec 2012 #1
THIS. These crazy people need a goddamn Scarlet Letter! Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #8
I was diagnosed as bipolar in August, spent 3 weeks in a psych day program in Sept. Denninmi Dec 2012 #42
Why not? Lots of people want to paint me with one for being a gun owner. Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #43
Nice. Denninmi Dec 2012 #44
OK Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #45
So you're saying the authorities should have had the power thucythucy Dec 2012 #10
Who gives a shit about the NRA anymore? laundry_queen Dec 2012 #49
I was responding to DanM, who thucythucy Dec 2012 #59
okay, I misunderstood. Sorry. laundry_queen Dec 2012 #63
I suggested this after the August shootings in College Station, TX sadbear Dec 2012 #12
Here's one I remember from the August shooting: sadbear Dec 2012 #13
So, the cops should have a list of mentally ill people in the area obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #27
What's next? ElbarDee Dec 2012 #29
Some of the suggestions are really disturbing obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #57
But they aren't allowed to track guns that are sold between individuals within state lines. Squinch Dec 2012 #55
This post makes no sense, what-so-ever. Fawke Em Dec 2012 #53
Our laws make it impossible for "these people" to be flagged in the NICS database, because Squinch Dec 2012 #54
What happens if the guardian of the child is just as whacked out as the kid is? NNN0LHI Dec 2012 #2
money was not an issue for this family. lapfog_1 Dec 2012 #3
Yes, and I read that dad makes a million dollars per year working for GE WI_DEM Dec 2012 #16
My kid got her nose pierced and is dating a pot head. I'm calling that hot line right now! Bucky Dec 2012 #4
This mother had the means to get him help Marrah_G Dec 2012 #5
The 60 minutes story leads me to believe she did Major Nikon Dec 2012 #9
From what I understand she did. If he was on Fanapt, he was getting his prescription from an MD Catherina Dec 2012 #14
yikes Marrah_G Dec 2012 #17
Here is something else very sad Catherina Dec 2012 #20
so well said No Compromise Dec 2012 #25
Great post malaise Dec 2012 #35
I second that this deserves its own thread. nt DeschutesRiver Dec 2012 #37
Thanks very much to the three of you Catherina Dec 2012 #47
interesting No Compromise Dec 2012 #18
Welcome to DU! hrmjustin Dec 2012 #23
media is starting to report on this No Compromise Dec 2012 #19
I hope they run with it and talk about it Catherina Dec 2012 #21
Your post should be its' own thread, Catherina. Uncle Joe Dec 2012 #22
Feel free to steal and repost Catherina Dec 2012 #39
"if he was on Fanapt" - speculation on your part, or have you a source? muriel_volestrangler Dec 2012 #24
I watched his uncle state that in a video. n/t Catherina Dec 2012 #33
There are web rumours that man was lying about being the uncle muriel_volestrangler Dec 2012 #40
Interesting. Catherina Dec 2012 #46
Holy crap. That is terrifying. hifiguy Dec 2012 #28
I agree with you that they're sometimes necessary Catherina Dec 2012 #36
NO, the mother did NOT do all she humanly could. Dems to Win Dec 2012 #38
Like I'm going to take your screaming assertions over the testimony Catherina Dec 2012 #41
Simple fact: No guns in Lanza home, no dead bodies at Sandy Woods elementary school Dems to Win Dec 2012 #48
Damn you lol Catherina Dec 2012 #60
There is not credible source that he was on fanapt. Every page sources back to 1 place that has pull uppityperson Dec 2012 #62
I just met with a parent LWolf Dec 2012 #6
Doesn't work for adult children jeff47 Dec 2012 #7
Anyone with a child like AL shouldn't keep guns stockpiled thucythucy Dec 2012 #11
Anyone with a child like Adam Lanza shouldn't be taking him to firing ranges WI_DEM Dec 2012 #15
I would love to see his school records HockeyMom Dec 2012 #31
^^^^^Exactly!^^^^ Squinch Dec 2012 #52
Agree 100%. blm Dec 2012 #26
"Odd/different" people have always existed, BUT SoCalDem Dec 2012 #30
Mental illness is predictable. demosincebirth Dec 2012 #32
AND anyone with a child like him should either keep their dangerous toys locked up kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #34
Shoulda/woulda/coulda. She didn't. That's the reality of a lot of gun owners. AND these people have ancianita Dec 2012 #50
This family had enough money to get any mental health assistance they wanted. Squinch Dec 2012 #51
Not after he's 18. He's an adult, and a parent MineralMan Dec 2012 #56
But I mean that any government-provided free or accessible mental health service wouldn't have Squinch Dec 2012 #58
When you make a cool million Catherina Dec 2012 #61
The original post is saying that QUOTE: "any family with a child like Adam Lanza should be able to Squinch Dec 2012 #64
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