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Speck Tater

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117. When your life is in danger you are WISE to be afraid.

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 05:56 PM

Dec 2012

and believe me, "afraid" does NOT mean "coward". Anybody who believes that bullshit doesn't know what they're talking about.

I lost friends in Viet Nam, and I've laid in the mud with bullets whizzing over my head. I've know quite a few real heroes and not one single one ever said he was not afraid. Anyone who thinks a hero is somebody who is not afraid is a damn fool. The kids who were not afraid in Viet Nam are the ones who went home in a box.

I have nothing but respect for police and soldiers who are in harms way every day. But I have nothing but contempt for blow-hards who are such cowards they can't walk out the front door of their own house without a cannon strapped to their hip. THOSE are the cowards. They are afraid even when there is no danger.

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Why do so many on DU seem to be against concealed carry? [View all] justanidea Dec 2012 OP

I am very liberal and have a CCW permit obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #1

So why is it I never find it SheilaT Dec 2012 #8

Why is your decision somehow better than mine? obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #13

I have driven on some pretty isolated interstates in my time. SheilaT Dec 2012 #21

"Never feel the need to carry anything with me. " oldhippie Dec 2012 #80

Ever had car trouble and broken down on the side of the road? Bake Dec 2012 #98

Happened to me bongbong Dec 2012 #127

They need to be armed all the time bongbong Dec 2012 #126

Cause nobody can steal her lack of gun from her and shoot somebody with it? renie408 Dec 2012 #102

+1 shireen Dec 2012 #138

May I ask you how will you be able to use Harmony Blue Dec 2012 #15

Several years ago my wife was beaten and robbed axetogrind Dec 2012 #17

Wouldn't it be MORE prophylactic to ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #24

+1...nt SidDithers Dec 2012 #36

It also gets you stopped by the police a lot. axetogrind Dec 2012 #43

It is perfectly legal to carry openly ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #59

Her main reason for concealed rather than open axetogrind Dec 2012 #68

BTW ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #72

Believe it or not, axetogrind Dec 2012 #73

Open carry is more effective. bluestate10 Dec 2012 #124

She was beaten and robbed at close range Harmony Blue Dec 2012 #28

Not necessarily true axetogrind Dec 2012 #45

The training on situational awareness is more valuable than the gun. bluestate10 Dec 2012 #125

All very good points. axetogrind Dec 2012 #137

Same here. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #65

Why don't you just save the pro-gun crap for a while. HERVEPA Dec 2012 #2

Yeah, I think it's appropriate to use a pro-gun tactic in this situation. sadbear Dec 2012 #3

so at a time when everyone MrDiaz Dec 2012 #104

Yeah, how dare he use logic and reasoning?! Lightbulb_on Dec 2012 #76

Hell yeah it's a time for outrage! HERVEPA Dec 2012 #93

I prefer logic and rationality... Lightbulb_on Dec 2012 #97

Recognition by politiciian of the outrage is the only thing that will get something done. HERVEPA Dec 2012 #119

This message was self-deleted by its author Lightbulb_on Dec 2012 #95

Well.. ananda Dec 2012 #4

Solving violent problems with violent solutions only perpetuates more violence. modem77 Dec 2012 #5

As a whole that may be true, but when you move from the abstract to the personal ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #75

Let's start with getting the Pentagon and the MIC to accept that. L0oniX Dec 2012 #109

I wish you had OPEN carry HockeyMom Dec 2012 #6

Me too. Mass Dec 2012 #11

Agree! DanM Dec 2012 #39

Concealed carry, open carry, SheilaT Dec 2012 #7

Because this is 2012, not the wild west. nt sufrommich Dec 2012 #9

Every time I see these post about caring a gun movonne Dec 2012 #50

Because we live in reality Harmony Blue Dec 2012 #10

Do I not have a right to know who is carrying a loaded gun around me and my child? n/t cynatnite Dec 2012 #12

Of course we do! n/t DanM Dec 2012 #41

Yes, you do. (nt) ehrenfeucht games Dec 2012 #81

Because Republicans like guns. nt rrneck Dec 2012 #14

^^^ This Recursion Dec 2012 #29

Because I don't want to live in a society where everybody is walking around armed Downtown Hound Dec 2012 #16

I understand what youre saying justanidea Dec 2012 #19

I avoid situations where I'm likely to be struck by lightning too Fumesucker Dec 2012 #26

A gun owner is more likely to be killed by their own weapon Harmony Blue Dec 2012 #32

If it is true that you have a better chance of being struck by lightning... Not Me Dec 2012 #33

I live in the lightning capital of the world (Tampa Bay) Harmony Blue Dec 2012 #38

automatic weapon qkvhj Dec 2012 #105

Stop with the gun propaganda please! upaloopa Dec 2012 #37

Unfortunately, enlightenment Dec 2012 #60

The unjustified shootings are even less likely if you don't have a gun. Hoyt Dec 2012 #130

Yeah, and the odds that those kids would be killed in a school mass shooting were pretty small too Downtown Hound Dec 2012 #166

Because I want to know who to avoid when I'm in public places Fumesucker Dec 2012 #18

It is truly amazing what gun ownership does to a person. Tutonic Dec 2012 #20

Adding more and more guns isn't a solution get the red out Dec 2012 #22

I don't care about concealed carry myself bhikkhu Dec 2012 #23

Question. llmart Dec 2012 #131

In Oregon it goes through the sheriff and the state police bhikkhu Dec 2012 #153

Sounds about the same as in Michigan. llmart Dec 2012 #155

Because we've tried concealed carry and it only makes matters worse. n/t RomneyLies Dec 2012 #25

*citation needed* justanidea Dec 2012 #30

I cite 20 dead first graders in Connecticut nt RomneyLies Dec 2012 #40

And that has to do with concealed carry how? justanidea Dec 2012 #47

Error! Error! Error! Does not compute! guardian Dec 2012 #110

Wow! A pro-gun advocate AND thucythucy Dec 2012 #143

Sure I do guardian Dec 2012 #146

Good for you. I'm glad we agree on all the things you listed. thucythucy Dec 2012 #164

But that had nothing to to with conceal carry. axetogrind Dec 2012 #48

That's like citing rap music because your coffee tasted bad. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #67

No, it's like citing the bad taste in your mouth as evidence that the coffee tasted bad. ThatPoetGuy Dec 2012 #120

This is my thinking. Everyone around the carrier is in danger. upaloopa Dec 2012 #27

People can get guns without having to have a mental health assessment gollygee Dec 2012 #31

We are looking at the tree, one tree, and not the forest. The Lord Fuzz Dec 2012 #34

I'm with you except "one gun per person, per household". Different types of game require different Erose999 Dec 2012 #56

I like your thoughts in this post. llmart Dec 2012 #133

Why do you need to conceal carry?... SidDithers Dec 2012 #35

If you're a licensed, bonded courier or a PI, jobs that involve mortal danger, fine. Otherwise, no. leveymg Dec 2012 #42

So the only people who are attacked or victimized justanidea Dec 2012 #49

Get a license, call the cops, or hire a licensed bodyguard with a concealed carry permit. leveymg Dec 2012 #55

Because I don't want fellow citizens without a badge policing MY public spaces. nt Comrade_McKenzie Dec 2012 #44

Because I know more than one alcoholic that has one loyalsister Dec 2012 #46

No joke. Not to mention folks on prescription drugs that affect judgement. Hoyt Dec 2012 #132

I might consider it if a rigorous psych evaluation were a requirement. kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #51

Do the rest of us (more than half of the nation) who do not own guns Skidmore Dec 2012 #52

I don't like guns. I don't like what guns do to people. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2012 #53

How's about... 99Forever Dec 2012 #54

Once again, that has nothing to do with concealed carry. justanidea Dec 2012 #58

This is an open discussion forum... 99Forever Dec 2012 #71

You can discuss them, but it is not relevant to the topic joeglow3 Dec 2012 #88

You are gawddamn right I not only CAN discuss your fellow gun nut's ... 99Forever Dec 2012 #90

Seriously? OneMoreDemocrat Dec 2012 #161

Because it's a nutty RW idea promoted by ALEC, which is counterproductive even to those who carry Major Nikon Dec 2012 #57

Why am I seeing all the Concealed Carry ads on DU? Coyotl Dec 2012 #61

The ads are on your computer only liberal N proud Dec 2012 #64

That is not true. Coyotl Dec 2012 #99

Cookies are the advertisers best friend liberal N proud Dec 2012 #135

Fine, you asked. Savannahmann Dec 2012 #62

I agree with everything you have just posted! CTyankee Dec 2012 #69

EXCELLENT post... YvonneCa Dec 2012 #74

Perfect response! truegrit44 Dec 2012 #86

Let's see... liberal N proud Dec 2012 #63

Here's Why RobinA Dec 2012 #66

Let me ask an alternate question... Moral Compass Dec 2012 #70

People who carry weapons are, by definition, afraid. Speck Tater Dec 2012 #77

So.. LP2K12 Dec 2012 #82

Beyond silly response. COLGATE4 Dec 2012 #83

Well.. LP2K12 Dec 2012 #84

And you are the first veteran of either I have seen deny they were afraid when on duty. ieoeja Dec 2012 #94

My post LP2K12 Dec 2012 #96

Your first post of this subthread: "So ieoeja Dec 2012 #100

I actually have no issue with your thoughts in this post... LP2K12 Dec 2012 #129

Any veteran of the police or armed forces that retires Speck Tater Dec 2012 #115

I think you're missing the point of the OP. COLGATE4 Dec 2012 #123

Would you go to war without a gun? Speck Tater Dec 2012 #111

Where's the mall? LP2K12 Dec 2012 #128

Speaking from experience. Glassunion Dec 2012 #140

+1 ...yea they are cowards too. L0oniX Dec 2012 #114

We have the example of the brave US soldier using a gun to kill and being called a hero. L0oniX Dec 2012 #112

When your life is in danger you are WISE to be afraid. Speck Tater Dec 2012 #117

When I had a gun in my purse, I didn't like what was in my head. aquart Dec 2012 #78

people who think they need a gun to protect them should not be the ones to have a gun IMHO graham4anything Dec 2012 #79

The Pentagon, MIC and US soldiers do not agree. L0oniX Dec 2012 #113

Private citizens who think they need a gun to protect them are the ones that don't need it graham4anything Dec 2012 #116

A far better question is why some support it. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2012 #85

I used to carry because of snakes and coyotes on the farm I worked on Recursion Dec 2012 #87

Because I don't live in a demon-haunted world. Gormy Cuss Dec 2012 #89

Well, for one, this isn't the Wild West anymore. . . . BigDemVoter Dec 2012 #91

I will put it this way. nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #92

Because it's Insane and a Recipe for Disaster Eric the Reddish Dec 2012 #101

Thats weird. justanidea Dec 2012 #122

because there is no valid reason that ANYONE should carry a concealed weapon. bowens43 Dec 2012 #103

ANYONE? guardian Dec 2012 #136

because being surrounded by fearful, paranoid, and armed people... mike_c Dec 2012 #106

I don't want to be shot because my music is too loud BainsBane Dec 2012 #107

i like to wear hoodies Algebra Palin Dec 2012 #108

Just don't arm yourself with Skittles and Arizona Iced Tea and you'll be fine. Glassunion Dec 2012 #142

BS stats would not include Sandy Hook (not by guns owner) assholes who abuse SYG." Accidents" bettyellen Dec 2012 #118

I am not opposed to concealed carry. But I don't see how carrying solves the problem bluestate10 Dec 2012 #121

So you think "calm reasoning" guardian Dec 2012 #147

A few days ago, decayincl Dec 2012 #134

Why are you against civilization? DainBramaged Dec 2012 #139

Every American should be required to own a flame thrower. tledford Dec 2012 #141

Cool strawman bro. justanidea Dec 2012 #149

I would prefer to keep the children in my family away from guns. thucythucy Dec 2012 #144

In addition to my answer above, I ask you thucythucy Dec 2012 #145

I've seen that video many times before. justanidea Dec 2012 #150

Baggy t-shirts (and pants) are a staple thucythucy Dec 2012 #162

Oh, I dunno. I guess I'd just prefer to see the metal death-projectile machine coming toward me Chorophyll Dec 2012 #148

Many believe all guns are bad and evil letemrot Dec 2012 #151

In Michigan, concealed carry is now inextricably linked with schools, MichiganVote Dec 2012 #152

Because the lie of "gun rights" has made us a less civil society. GoneOffShore Dec 2012 #154

Secrecy about deadly weapons seems very sneaky and underhanded to me. kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #156

There is no reason to have to conceal carry rustydog Dec 2012 #157

Self-defense? justanidea Dec 2012 #158

I've said this before rustydog Dec 2012 #160

I do in home therapy and most of my clients have been court mandated. Bosso 63 Dec 2012 #159

Two words for me: Trayvon Martin. Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2012 #163

Because more guns don't make a society more polite. Arkana Dec 2012 #165