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lapfog_1

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130. sooo what do YOU call it?

Sat Mar 15, 2025, 03:26 PM

Mar 2025

Schumer ( on Wednesday ): They don't have the votes for cloture
Schumer ( on Thursday ): I will vote for cloture ( knowing the final vote, at best, would be 52 - 48 )

HOW THE FUCK DOES THAT LOOK TO ANY RATIONAL PERSON?

From TheHill:

President Trump on Friday congratulated Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer (N.Y.) for opting to vote to advance the House-Republican drafted six-month government funding bill, despite pushback from liberal colleagues.

“Congratulations to Chuck Schumer for doing the right thing — Took ‘guts’ and courage! The big Tax Cuts, L.A. fire fix, Debt Ceiling Bill, and so much more, is coming. We should all work together on that very dangerous situation. A non pass would be a Country destroyer, approval will lead us to new heights,” Trump wrote on Trump Social.

Trump is a traitor and a threat to our democracy. To be praised by him is... unforgivable.

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Schumer made the smart move. [View all] lapucelle Mar 2025 OP

I assumed that Schumer weighed all the options and did what he thought was right. I don't think he did it on a whim. Walleye Mar 2025 #1

Not a single House Democrat owns any part of the CR. Their hands are clean. lapucelle Mar 2025 #8

Definitely a hostage situation. Trump loves this so he can gloat afterwards. Apparently it's all he lives for. Walleye Mar 2025 #59

And causing demonstrations DENVERPOPS Mar 2025 #75

Oh yeah, I'm sure he's thinking about that. Moving on us like a bitch. Walleye Mar 2025 #95

There was a video on TV DENVERPOPS Mar 2025 #162

He's probably already planning his Fourth of July parade with tanks rolling down Pennsylvania AvenueI'm Walleye Mar 2025 #166

Not even possible Mountainguy Mar 2025 #194

Very interesting, thanks for insight pattyloutwo Mar 2025 #195

I agree Mtnmama Mar 2025 #102

No, you're not missing anything angrychair Mar 2025 #145

Welcome to DU LetMyPeopleVote Mar 2025 #209

I think so XanaDUer2 Mar 2025 #2

The problem with this is that the next budget (September) will be much worse Polybius Mar 2025 #3

Maybe, that is hard to tell at this point. A lot is going to happen between now and then. 33taw Mar 2025 #7

They don't need help the next time FBaggins Mar 2025 #29

+1, The OP leaves out the biggest take is this vote was our only leverage politically uponit7771 Mar 2025 #88

I don't agree - our leverage was peeling off house republicans FBaggins Mar 2025 #101

Quinnipac poll put shutdown squarely on MAGA/Trump ...those were the facts we had uponit7771 Mar 2025 #108

There's no way that would stick FBaggins Mar 2025 #114

That's speculation that doesn't match up historically, few times has Americans switch blame over time cause one ... uponit7771 Mar 2025 #141

Historically? FBaggins Mar 2025 #150

The poll question itself was speculative, and the Trump/Republican message that Democrats were to blame lapucelle Mar 2025 #174

Actually 32% of the respondents were ready to blame congressional Democrats. lapucelle Mar 2025 #175

By right move do you mean announcing your opposition to the bill Sneederbunk Mar 2025 #4

The right move was to not shut down the government, but thank you for your input. lapucelle Mar 2025 #12

While Trump and Musk shut it down anyway? SergeStorms Mar 2025 #64

Those clean hands will help us win special elections and take back the House in 2026. lapucelle Mar 2025 #67

Most Americans blamed Trump/MAGA for shutdown... This makes no sense in regards to political consequences uponit7771 Mar 2025 #92

In the abstract, in one poll taken before any shutdown had occurred, the majority would have blamed Trump or Republicans lapucelle Mar 2025 #109

Enron and Putin's Puppet is going to slash government anyway might as well impose severe political cost on them ... uponit7771 Mar 2025 #143

How many times did potus trump shut down the government as 45? Who is currently in charge? krawhitham Mar 2025 #246

I think you can find that information on Google. N/T lapucelle Mar 2025 #252

If the country lasts that long. SergeStorms Mar 2025 #94

Win elections lol Hornedfrog2000 Mar 2025 #126

And the little leverage they had gutted by the "Yes" votes. Scrivener7 Mar 2025 #81

But if they didin't vote "yes, then the GQP would say Bad Things 'Bout Dems. But now . . . hatrack Mar 2025 #84

I know. And by agreeing with hundreds of Democrats against 10, I'm told, we're just people Scrivener7 Mar 2025 #107

It would NOT have been shut down for weeks or months. Bengus81 Mar 2025 #241

I appreciate your post. It is sane. valleyrogue Mar 2025 #5

Trump wallows in chaos. A shut-down for him would be his greatest fantasy. lamp_shade Mar 2025 #6

So when does a meaningful stand happen? They continue virtually unabated....speed is the only variable. dutch777 Mar 2025 #9

I really tire of all this Republican-lite crap Bluetus Mar 2025 #76

Thank you! I am where you are-- tragically and sadly. I am looking into the Indivisible Project....gotta DO something! dutch777 Mar 2025 #177

And note that 7 of those 9 bastards ended up voting AGAINST the CR Bluetus Mar 2025 #183

When the price of Dry Powder moves beyond a certain $/ton figure, then - look out!!! hatrack Mar 2025 #90

Yeah, not quite sure what that price is indeed. Guess we are trying to corner the market...before we die on our knees. dutch777 Mar 2025 #178

So then why do you think all the other Dems who voted "no" were not convinced? Or do you believe them hlthe2b Mar 2025 #10

I'm sure that all the Democratic senators who voted against the CR will be releasing statements, but lapucelle Mar 2025 #16

Have the courts grown a new appendage willing to enforce their rulings? Magoo48 Mar 2025 #33

Your comment is best addressed to Senator Murphy who assumed that the Courts would remain open. lapucelle Mar 2025 #39

The courts are open and going through the motions, but without enforcement, what good are they? Magoo48 Mar 2025 #45

... lapucelle Mar 2025 #48

My apologies, all better now. Magoo48 Mar 2025 #57

Well that's reassuring. At this point the "the courts are useless" narrative is truly defeatist. lapucelle Mar 2025 #63

Two people, two different views of what's defeatist. Magoo48 Mar 2025 #79

Then by all means go out and convince the people not paying attention lapucelle Mar 2025 #120

Yes indeed Magoo48 Mar 2025 #172

Gee, one out of thousands. Color me impressed....not!!! ratchiweenie Mar 2025 #136

Not all of those who voted no were not convinced FBaggins Mar 2025 #31

Clean hands in a civil war. I think R's will do what they want. Hope22 Mar 2025 #11

I thought, CrispyQ Mar 2025 #32

I get a lot of $#it for my screen name!!! Hope22 Mar 2025 #35

By the time the 2026 elections come around the outrage and the pain totodeinhere Mar 2025 #38

I admire your hopeful nature. Hope22 Mar 2025 #44

You think Elon Musk stole the 2024 election? N/T lapucelle Mar 2025 #55

I go by what TSF says Hope22 Mar 2025 #58

I like what you're saying here. bluestarone Mar 2025 #71

"Then we would have the votes to impeach and remove him." Wednesdays Mar 2025 #74

Yes we would need Republican votes. totodeinhere Mar 2025 #128

Like the Spanish Nationalist did circa 1937? uponit7771 Mar 2025 #96

I agree with this being his thought process EdmondDantes_ Mar 2025 #13

I have to reluctantly agree. His worshipers need to feel the pain of his policies. louis-t Mar 2025 #14

I don't disagree with the decision mcar Mar 2025 #15

I agree, but "Schumer Caved" is a better headline than "Senate Democrats Shut Down Government". lapucelle Mar 2025 #19

We've been keeping our powder dry for over four decades. -nt CrispyQ Mar 2025 #49

How so? That claim requires the assumption that Democrats have accomplished nothing since 1985. lapucelle Mar 2025 #52

Oh good grief, it doesn't mean that. It just means we've been going along to get along. CrispyQ Mar 2025 #65

So you didn't actually mean the thing that you said? lapucelle Mar 2025 #70

Whatthefuckever. You're exhausting. CrispyQ Mar 2025 #72

You know your business.. I find that Interesting.. Not "Exhausting. Cha Mar 2025 #133

My guess is that Trump would have been fine with a shutdown Buckeyeblue Mar 2025 #17

This infighting wouldn't have occurred if those who wanted to abolish the filibuster the last few years had prevailed MichMan Mar 2025 #18

I brought chairs. underpants Mar 2025 #20

Calling dibs on that blue one. tavernier Mar 2025 #50

Right on - love your graphic. waterwatcher123 Mar 2025 #160

Well he did go right. That part is right. William769 Mar 2025 #21

Thanks for the heads up. lapucelle Mar 2025 #23

He went futher right with his vote over the majority of Senate Democrats. William769 Mar 2025 #25

I agree. The House is in recess until March 24th underpants Mar 2025 #22

A government shutdown would open all eyes to cachukis Mar 2025 #24

This: They must be challenged now, not later. -nt CrispyQ Mar 2025 #34

I agree Andy823 Mar 2025 #26

Hmmmm. Trump has congratulated Schumer on doing the right thing. CrispyQ Mar 2025 #27

That should tell everyone what they need to know. SergeStorms Mar 2025 #99

Democrats should NOT have voted to give Trump the power to spend or withold funds as he sees fit. Martin Eden Mar 2025 #123

This will not be easily reversed. CrispyQ Mar 2025 #124

I think Schumer made the right move, too. Progressive dog Mar 2025 #28

The legality of his spending money he doesn't have the right to spend, doesn't change if the govt shuts down. CrispyQ Mar 2025 #40

Sigh planj07 Mar 2025 #41

Trump is congratulating him to help widen yorkster Mar 2025 #106

Political consequences for MAGA would be devastating, 53% of Americans already blamed them... uponit7771 Mar 2025 #105

Thank you!!!!! nt LAS14 Mar 2025 #30

Had a book tour starting Monday HereForTheParty Mar 2025 #36

Dems should have threatened a shut down from the start crud Mar 2025 #37

No Dem votes unless DOGE is shut down. This!! So much this!! CrispyQ Mar 2025 #42

100+ InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2025 #227

Get back to me in three months... -misanthroptimist Mar 2025 #43

What power did Senate Democrats have to "fix those things"? lapucelle Mar 2025 #46

THis: "The only power Senate Democrats had was to shut down the government, and that move would have put Trump's OMB in Amaryllis Mar 2025 #82

Thank you for that. N/T lapucelle Mar 2025 #85

You're welcome, but which part? Amaryllis Mar 2025 #91

The part about Trump's OMB running the show during the shutdown. N/T lapucelle Mar 2025 #113

It wasnt OMB running teh show during the shutdown that made me change my mind; it was that OMB could run the show Amaryllis Mar 2025 #171

The ONLY way this ends is in the streets or the election booth lapfog_1 Mar 2025 #132

First off, I have no suspicions about you -misanthroptimist Mar 2025 #121

As a federal employee, I'm telling you he betrayed us miserably SSJVegeta Mar 2025 #47

Welcome to DU! lapucelle Mar 2025 #122

... SSJVegeta Mar 2025 #144

Sayanara orangecrush Mar 2025 #51

Imagine for a moment... lame54 Mar 2025 #53

"A shutdown would have played right into Trump's hands." tman Mar 2025 #54

Stop making so much sense. nt Wednesdays Mar 2025 #56

Thank you for that info! I've been wondering about the courts. CaptainTruth Mar 2025 #60

Has it stopped them so far? -nt CrispyQ Mar 2025 #68

You said this better than I did... Dem4life1970 Mar 2025 #61

Sometimes, the definition... oldsoldierfadingfast Mar 2025 #210

Does "business as usual" politics require even a tiny modicum of integrity? Ping Tung Mar 2025 #62

Shutting down the government would have been burning down the village to save it. lapucelle Mar 2025 #73

Yup. Instead, Democrats handed the arsonist the means and walked away... Self Esteem Mar 2025 #83

I don't think the money is going where you think it is Quanto Magnus Mar 2025 #66

You are wrong nakocal Mar 2025 #69

What are you talking about? That's the second time today that someone invoked a Hitler comparison lapucelle Mar 2025 #77

All this old girl can glean from this entire mess is Joinfortmill Mar 2025 #78

I know I feel comforted that 9 Dems and 1 Ind chose to defy 213 House Dems and 38 Senate Dems Nanjeanne Mar 2025 #80

And, somehow, stating that makes you someone who "is just complaining about Democrats!!1!" Scrivener7 Mar 2025 #89

Does it? I sure am not complaining about the 38 and 213. Nanjeanne Mar 2025 #93

Yep. Exactly. But that's what I'm told by people who always insist that our Democratic leaders can do no wrong Scrivener7 Mar 2025 #98

Screw 'em. Nanjeanne Mar 2025 #100

. Scrivener7 Mar 2025 #103

They all could have done more to convince the rest lapfog_1 Mar 2025 #115

In all my years of seeing him in action I have never moniss Mar 2025 #86

On numerous occasions he has stood up for people on the (Wall) Street. /nt thought crime Mar 2025 #224

Since when has Trump ever failed to blame Democrats BlueKota Mar 2025 #87

Dead now,.dead later is still dead... JCMach1 Mar 2025 #97

Sure, if you're willing angrychair Mar 2025 #104

While I understand the desire to fight it out, I suspect you are right Maeve Mar 2025 #110

I think people who are killed off by the bad guys BlueKota Mar 2025 #116

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All of the negative outcomes lapfog_1 Mar 2025 #112

Thank you for acknowledging that "the Democrats folded like a cheap suit" is a Republican talking point. N/T lapucelle Mar 2025 #125

sooo what do YOU call it? lapfog_1 Mar 2025 #130

Sorry, but I don't take Trump's "praise" of Democrats at face value. lapucelle Mar 2025 #137

re-evaluated lapfog_1 Mar 2025 #138

Sorry, arguments predicated on the fallacy of eqivocation do not work on me lapucelle Mar 2025 #139

You are entrenched in your position lapfog_1 Mar 2025 #140

Closing the government would result in the government being dismantled at a quicker pace, lapucelle Mar 2025 #147

Nope. lees1975 Mar 2025 #117

What polls were quite clear on that? N/T lapucelle Mar 2025 #127

Quinnipiac for one. Think. Again. Mar 2025 #146

That was the only one poll, and the picture was not quite as rosy as some made it out to be. lapucelle Mar 2025 #148

Yeah, I don't believe there were any other polls taken... Think. Again. Mar 2025 #149

Pro-tip: Read carefully. Don't answer questions when none were asked. It will save the embarrassment lapucelle Mar 2025 #152

My apologies, I was confused by the question mark at the end of... Think. Again. Mar 2025 #155

Apology accepted. Interesting hypothetical: Someone takes the liberty of answering for someone else, lapucelle Mar 2025 #156

Okey dokey Cirsium Mar 2025 #118

I disagree. DiamondShark Mar 2025 #119

Dangerously Stupid Take on the CR By Lapicelle King_Black_Mamba_248 Mar 2025 #129

Welcome to DU re your first post though you've been here a few months. . . . .nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2025 #161

Interesting, no? Oopsie Daisy Mar 2025 #167

Check the post recs. lapucelle Mar 2025 #180

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i have a feeling that you will be tuned up shortly. n/t LuckyCharms Mar 2025 #199

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Hmmm...you sound nice. GP6971 Mar 2025 #202

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Well OK then. That settles that!!! Have we met before?? GP6971 Mar 2025 #204

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Yes... it's VERY interesting. Oopsie Daisy Mar 2025 #197

Well, thank you, lapucelle! I think you're interesting too. Scrivener7 Mar 2025 #205

You are wrong LetMyPeopleVote Mar 2025 #208

Short Term vs. Long Term Terry_M Mar 2025 #131

What makes you think Republicans would cave? lapucelle Mar 2025 #179

There is a lot we don't know about either pain right Terry_M Mar 2025 #187

Schumer did prioritize the long term. N/T lapucelle Mar 2025 #192

Nice to see TransitJohn Mar 2025 #134

"A shutdown would have played right into Trump's hands." J_William_Ryan Mar 2025 #135

Where is the show of force? Where is the wiilingness to fight? ScubaDave Mar 2025 #142

He did what he thought was the best worse option Meowmee Mar 2025 #151

He did indeed, and he will take the heat. N/T lapucelle Mar 2025 #153

Explains for me. He needs to go. Blue Full Moon Mar 2025 #154

You should inform the donors whom you know professionally that the stock market is closed on Saturdays. lapucelle Mar 2025 #163

I agree LetMyPeopleVote Mar 2025 #157

I'd prefer he hadn't, but those are good points. nilram Mar 2025 #158

Good bye Chuck. Thank you for your service. mikewv Mar 2025 #159

Totally agree ... nt Raine Mar 2025 #164

Puzzled Flux Mar 2025 #165

There is no way we want the courts shut down or any of our Nixie Mar 2025 #168

I've yet to hear an exit strategy from anyone who wanted to shut the government down. lapucelle Mar 2025 #176

Thank you, lapucelle. Your points are excellent. brer cat Mar 2025 #169

Schumer publicly started a civil war in the Democratic Party. If that's "Smart" I'd rather be lobotomized. n/t Hellbound Hellhound Mar 2025 #170

It's already hell...how much more can the poor be burned Tribetime Mar 2025 #173

So when they put in a national abortion ban in the next extortion CR Dems will just auto vote for it? lark Mar 2025 #181

The problem remains the same the_liberal_grandpa Mar 2025 #182

Wholly Disagree -- Schumer's Top Donors Were Bleeding MARKET VALUE... All About The Benjamins... MayReasonRule Mar 2025 #184

Schumer says he agrees with Trump's decision to pull $400 million from Columbia. MayReasonRule Mar 2025 #185

If you read the interview, he didn't actually say that. Scrivener7 Mar 2025 #206

Thank You - Yes He Did Indeed Say That - And Worse... MayReasonRule Mar 2025 #232

Nope. He didn't. I'm no fan of his right now, but he didn't say that. Scrivener7 Mar 2025 #234

Well Dang... I Don't Want To Put Words In Schumer's Mouth MayReasonRule Mar 2025 #235

Read the interview. Scrivener7 Mar 2025 #237

Senator Schumer didn't say that he agrees with Trump. lapucelle Mar 2025 #230

Happy Monday Y'all! MayReasonRule Mar 2025 #231

The problem here wasn't with the shutdown vs. no shutdown showdown... Ol Janx Spirit Mar 2025 #188

GOP Senators Love Schumer's Choice For His Party And His Nation... MayReasonRule Mar 2025 #189

Trump praised Schumer too. Emile Mar 2025 #190

Thank You For Saying So Emile. I Wholeheartedly Agree. MayReasonRule Mar 2025 #191

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Wanna bet? William769 Mar 2025 #214

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So do I. William769 Mar 2025 #216

Good for you!!! GP6971 Mar 2025 #219

Are you threatening me? sheshe2 Mar 2025 #217

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KayossZero is no longer with us. sheshe2 Mar 2025 #221

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OK then...a voice from the past!!!! GP6971 Mar 2025 #225

Back so soon!!! GP6971 Mar 2025 #218

That's something out of your control. GP6971 Mar 2025 #222

Has he stood before a mic and declared the orange convict and musky domestic enemies Hotler Mar 2025 #196

Discussions on this and other issues have shown me iemanja Mar 2025 #200

Could not disagree more... fighting for We The People is what wins elections!! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2025 #226

But claudette Mar 2025 #228

K&R betsuni Mar 2025 #229

Elon and Trump wanted the shut down. Democrats didn't give it to them. NowsTheTime Mar 2025 #233

If Trump wanted the shutdown he would have told Emile Mar 2025 #236

Makes sense...but he would have exploited the situation had the Dem's shut it down..would have been ugly NowsTheTime Mar 2025 #238

So what, he does that regardless. Trump got exactly what he wanted and Emile Mar 2025 #239

NO, Schumer picked the lesser of two bad choices. NowsTheTime Mar 2025 #240

I guess we all have an opinion. The good thing Emile Mar 2025 #242

Thanks! Yes we are. Having said what I did, I would like to see a stronger leader in the Senate. NowsTheTime Mar 2025 #245

The federal courts (including immigration courts) remain open, lapucelle Mar 2025 #248

If Trump wanted the government shutdown, he Emile Mar 2025 #249

He wanted the shutdown, but he wanted the Democrats to take the blame. lapucelle Mar 2025 #250

I don't buy that either. He would have blamed us Emile Mar 2025 #251

You are free to believe what you want to believe. lapucelle Mar 2025 #253

I know we're both Democrats with different views. Emile Mar 2025 #254

... lapucelle Mar 2025 #256

And he wouldn't have worked so hard to get it passed. Scrivener7 Mar 2025 #243

+1 Emile Mar 2025 #244

Then only Republicans would have been blamed for the shutdown. N/T lapucelle Mar 2025 #247

So if there had been a shutdown and things got really bad intrepidity Mar 2025 #255

I think the media would have run with the "blame the Democrats" narrative. lapucelle Mar 2025 #258

A shutdown would have given musk/DOGE free reign to fire people and close offices LetMyPeopleVote Mar 2025 #257

So Schumer stopped Trump and Musk, uh okay. . Emile Mar 2025 #259