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In reply to the discussion: Ralph Nader - "Stay Silent and Stay Powerless Against Trump's Tyranny" [View all]
Cirsium
(3,372 posts)219. I don't understand
Those aren't failures? I say that job one is to stop the right wingers. When we don't, we have failed...to stop the right wingers.
If Nader's 2000 candidacy were enough to prevent us from stopping the right wingers we would have to be pretty darn weak and ineffective.
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Ralph Nader - "Stay Silent and Stay Powerless Against Trump's Tyranny" [View all]
sarchasm
Mar 2025
OP
Can you point me to the link where Nader begs forgiveness for getting Dubya elected?
gulliver
Mar 2025
#1
Sorry, he sure did, with his constant "there is no difference between the two parties". He is an arrogant,
JohnSJ
Mar 2025
#8
Raskin, Schiff, AOC, Sanders, etc. have said the same thing. Nader lost any credibility he ever had in 2000, and why
JohnSJ
Mar 2025
#22
Yes, I recall vote differences of 6-600 (depending on where in the count) and Nader pulled more than enough
MadameButterfly
Mar 2025
#213
There are a number of reasons that each by themselves cost Gore the election
Stargleamer
Mar 2025
#181
And we have a right not to have someone not like George Bush as president and Alito et al as SC justices
Stargleamer
Mar 2025
#205
Gore couldn't even carry his own state but keep telling yourself a third party candidate was the problem.
CrispyQ
Mar 2025
#220
I didn't vote for her, but I did hear her say things few mention much any more.
Kid Berwyn
Mar 2025
#71
And I have the right to be upset that Nader's actions put Bush in office
Wifes husband
Mar 2025
#206
But Nader didn't. It was the Rehnquist, Scalia, Thomas, O'Connor and Souter ruling to stop the recount.
Kid Berwyn
Mar 2025
#235
If Nader hasn't been on that ballot, SCOTUS would never have needed to get involved.
ShazzieB
Mar 2025
#254
Having the right to do something doesn't necessarily mean it's the right thing to do.
ShazzieB
Mar 2025
#253
As soon as I saw Ralph's name in the post title, I knew this was going to be a Nader hate fest.
CrispyQ
Mar 2025
#175
Nader gave W. Bush, the Iraq War, Citizens United and the gutting of the voting rights act
LetMyPeopleVote
Mar 2025
#129
This is a guy who truly gets the consequences of his vote in 2000. He voted in the margins where Nader & Stein work...
Hekate
Mar 2025
#156
I don't think it excellent. Nader has been not supportive of human rights of women.
delisen
Mar 2025
#49
Apologists for Nader *do not care* that Rove gave him money. Just as they don't care that Jill Stein...
Hekate
Mar 2025
#159
Repug leadership council paid $5 million for Nader's tv ad campaign
ClimateChangeisReal
Aug 2025
#272
I went to Florida in 2004 as part of the Kerry Edwards voter protection team
LetMyPeopleVote
Mar 2025
#227
Nader is still an asshole who refuses to admit he elected Bush or that Stein elected TFG
LetMyPeopleVote
Mar 2025
#144
Sorry, but nader helped provide the path to the loss of the SC and the eventual accession of trump into the WH, with his
JohnSJ
Mar 2025
#5
That was the supreme court. He had every right to run for president . The SC did not have the right
Autumn
Mar 2025
#11
Doesn't cut it. He knew he was a spoiler and he knew what the stakes, and in 2016 he did the same false equivalency.
JohnSJ
Mar 2025
#135
None of that matters. Anyone can run for President aslong as they meet the requirements
Autumn
Mar 2025
#185
I disagree. the SC stepped in, gave the presidency to Bush. When all the votes were finally counted,
Autumn
Mar 2025
#200
When the votes were counted AL Gore had won the election, but Bush had been installed.
Autumn
Aug 2025
#316
Yup. He knew he was a spoiler, and he knew the SC was at stake, and in 2016 he sealed the deal for his fans by saying
JohnSJ
Mar 2025
#137
I loathe Ralph Nader. I wish he'd disappear from the face of the earth; but he's not wrong.
jrthin
Mar 2025
#6
I like Ralph Nader even with his shortcomings. I'm glad he's still on the face of the earth. And I agree he's not wrong.
PSPS
Mar 2025
#18
Hey everybody, a Ralph Nader thread, everyone dog pile on Ralph. Even if this essay make sense.
Hotler
Mar 2025
#9
Is the essay wrong or, you just don't like who penned it. Just pretend Hillary wrote it. nt
Hotler
Mar 2025
#20
There are plenty of people who have credibility and say the same thing, including Raskin, Schiff, AOC, etc. nader lost
JohnSJ
Mar 2025
#15
Exactly. Nader is not wrong in what he is saying. We have all been complaining about the need for more protests.
Lonestarblue
Mar 2025
#17
And don't anybody ever blame Texas for purging over 200,000 African American voters that cycle in Fl.
GreenWave
Mar 2025
#73
Thanks, Ralph. Now is not the time for Politicss as usual and empty compromise with the fascists.
Ping Tung
Mar 2025
#24
Geez. Now we are going to put this jackass on a pedestal because he says something obvious. His actions in 2000 will
JohnSJ
Mar 2025
#25
Ralph Nader: "The election is between the fascism of Trump and the autocracy of Harris"
JI7
Mar 2025
#40
This is the same as when Nader claimed that three was no difference between W Bush and Al Gore
LetMyPeopleVote
Mar 2025
#147
Ralph repeating what millions of people already know doesn't make his opinion wrong, just worthless.
sop
Mar 2025
#58
Two things: #1 - Gore didn't even win his home state of NC. Hard to pin that on Nader.
TheRickles
Mar 2025
#64
To DFW and Mahatma: Yes, you are correct. Gore's home state is Tennessee. My bad.
TheRickles
Mar 2025
#102
Pretty big misrepresentation Tennessee was a deep red hell hole by the time Gore
standingtall
Mar 2025
#124
I didn't call you any of those things. I'm talking about certain progressive advocates on the far left.
ZRB
Mar 2025
#245
I support progressive policies. I dont like Nader for COMPLETELY unrelated reasons
ShazzieB
Mar 2025
#261
Maybe republicans aren't whinining about Ross Perot because they have the Supreme Court
standingtall
Mar 2025
#114
I agree with most of Nader's political views, but I would never support a 3rd party candidate in our two-party system.
sop
Mar 2025
#85
I don't know your neoghbor and in his life as an asshole he didn't have the propaganda...
NNadir
Mar 2025
#228
Nader ran on the platform that there was no difference between the Democratic Party and the GOP
LetMyPeopleVote
Mar 2025
#136
In 2000, Nader claimed that there were no difference between W and Gore
LetMyPeopleVote
Mar 2025
#141
Where was this jackass in 2000 and 2016? Another after the fact loser, stating the
JohnSJ
Mar 2025
#108
Genius who helped create problem once again offers "advice" to deal with problem.
Grokenstein
Mar 2025
#109
No one should pay any attention to anything that Nader says about anything
LetMyPeopleVote
Mar 2025
#126
He should know, Where the F**K was he in 2016 when the stakes were even higher, and he still equated the Democratic
JohnSJ
Mar 2025
#146
Surprised to see you use Eric Zuesse as the main part of your reply. Zuesse wouldn't last 10 minutes on DU.
Celerity
Mar 2025
#201
😍 Oh, Ralph! (Swoon!) Our savior!🙏⛪️ Nader will rescue us and set us on the path of righteousness! 🙄
Oopsie Daisy
Mar 2025
#170
Fuck you Ralph. I remember 2000 when you told voters there wasn't a dime's difference between the 2 Parties.
OAITW r.2.0
Mar 2025
#203
this imbecile gave us george w bush and the start of the destruction of democracy
samsingh
Mar 2025
#209
If Democrats electoral fate is determined as much by Nader as y'all are ascribe to him, then we're in deep trouble.
sarchasm
Mar 2025
#229
Ralph Malf - "Stay Silent and Stay Powerless Against Trump's Tyranny" DOES THAT MAKE YOU READ THIS OBJECTIVELY?
usonian
Aug 2025
#308
Who? from the jackass who started there is no difference between both parties, his 15 minutes of fame is over.
lostincalifornia
Aug 2025
#326
Because of Nader, we have Citizens United, Shelby County (the gutting of the Voting Rights Act) and other bad rulings
LetMyPeopleVote
Aug 2025
#327