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FarCenter

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29. I agree with much of what you say
Sun Jan 22, 2012, 01:44 PM
Jan 2012

But I still don't see the utility of teaching kids arithmetic. Even less useful is the current approach of trying to get the kid to invent how to multiply, or alternatively, the teaching of multiple ways to multiply.

Also, a lot of time is spent on the manipulation of fractions and doing arithmetic with fractions. Most of this makes a lot more sense after an introduction to algebra.

Math is a pretty big field. Even after six years of undergrad and graduate math course, I was missing the modern algebra needed for coding theory and missing a lot of statistics that would have been useful. So lets cut out the elementary busy work and move on to the meat of the subject.

As for arithmetic, almost all science and engineering calculations are done using some device that implements IEEE 754. The engineers and scientists using them almost always have no clue how the hardware implements some actual algorithm to do the arithmetic. Neither do most investigate what actual algorithms are used to implement the standard math function packages unless they have some need to understand the limits of accuracy.

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Is it possibly because TlalocW Jan 2012 #1
That doesn't matter Matariki Jan 2012 #2
Well, there's an app for that. BadgerKid Jan 2012 #3
back in the old days, when I went to college angstlessk Jan 2012 #4
Yes, but a lot of algebra is solving for x TlalocW Jan 2012 #9
Well obviously, but knowing multiplication tables by heart doesn't mean you understand math Matariki Jan 2012 #11
Is it possible MattBaggins Jan 2012 #16
I don't think we should be talking about Apple. redqueen Jan 2012 #17
Exactly. Brings to mind the interactive books in The Diamond Age. Matariki Jan 2012 #26
Lil off topic, but I remember math teachers saying I'd never be able to use a calc in the real world phleshdef Jan 2012 #10
These e-books can target the problem areas. redqueen Jan 2012 #5
Technology! Evil! Apple! Hipsters! Cultists! Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #6
lol Matariki Jan 2012 #12
Hmmm, interesting article -- considering Apple's desire to make money from that field. Pholus Jan 2012 #7
I hear ya TlalocW Jan 2012 #13
Hehehe. For me it was realizing after teaching premeds that I had better stay healthy.... Pholus Jan 2012 #15
They can't calculate a cross product???? SwissTony Jan 2012 #18
Tell me about it. Tech is cool, but there is a point in learning where it should not be allowed... Pholus Jan 2012 #19
I agree. If you know how to invert a 3x3 matrix, you're ok. SwissTony Jan 2012 #30
"It's like magic!!!" bemildred Jan 2012 #8
It was probably a grossly inadequate "traditional textbook" the control group was using. surrealAmerican Jan 2012 #14
LOL Karmadillo Jan 2012 #20
There's very little reason to teach people to do arithmetic with paper and pencil FarCenter Jan 2012 #21
I guess you have to be there.... Pholus Jan 2012 #22
Applause! JackRiddler Jan 2012 #24
Blush... Pholus Jan 2012 #25
Great post. I've seen a fair number of bright adolescents reach for Karmadillo Jan 2012 #27
Thanks and I think you're absolutely right on this one... Pholus Jan 2012 #32
I agree with much of what you say FarCenter Jan 2012 #29
If you want to be a competent mathematician, of any sort, bemildred Jan 2012 #23
Like it or not, you can't stop progress. More important than scores, however.... NYC_SKP Jan 2012 #28
Then Apple should be glad to give them away for free. nt Dreamer Tatum Jan 2012 #31
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