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Recursion

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22. The problem is that's way too many guns
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:49 AM
Dec 2012

The actual salient characteristics here are "semi automatic weapon that accepts detachable magazines". That's what makes it usable in a mass shooting.

If you want to ban that (or reschedule it under the NFA or whatever) we can certainly try, the reason that's not what the AWB did is because doing that winds up catching way too many guns for it to be politically feasible, and in particular a lot of guns that look much less frightening than the AR-15 despite operating the exact same way. So either you have to grandfather them in (and a ban that grandfathers in a hundred million durable items seems kind of pointless) or you have to figure out a way to take them from people (which is going to be all kinds of problematic).

Once the people working on the 94 ban saw exactly how many guns we were talking about (and that's only gone up since then) they tweaked it to only affect guns that looked like military weapons (and, again, the look doesn't change how they actually operate) because they could sell that (when someone sees an AR-15 they think "that's a deadly assault weapon" despite the fact that it's functionally identical to their grandfather's hunting rifle that they wouldn't want to ban). But the end result was for the manufacturers to weld the stocks and get rid of the bayonet lugs. For that matter Connecticut has an assault weapons ban, and the Bushmaster was legal under it.

Now, you could also simply ban the brand, but somebody else would make the Shrubmaster or whatever in a few weeks.

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I predict before this week is over all the gun shops will sell out doc03 Dec 2012 #1
Many of that sort of weapon were ALREADY in very short supply. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #39
"Any kind of gun control is going to cause a virtual civil war between pro gun and anti gun" ellisonz Dec 2012 #2
I Am Not Sure What Is Going To Happen ------ TheMastersNemesis Dec 2012 #11
I couldn't agree more... ellisonz Dec 2012 #12
I Don't Believe You Can Underestimate The Power Of These People TheMastersNemesis Dec 2012 #21
The guns used Tmloft Dec 2012 #17
All of the victims were killed with the .223 Bushmaster AR style carbine. ellisonz Dec 2012 #25
Wrong, it was the Bushmaster nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #27
Welcome to DU and please try to keep up Fumesucker Dec 2012 #33
Try following news reports on the massacre, and becoming informed hatrack Dec 2012 #53
Twisted and deranged=a large portion of the population in this country. SammyWinstonJack Dec 2012 #48
Sadly, I agree. City Lights Dec 2012 #59
Isn't that exactly what the NRA, on behalf of the gun manufacturers, wanted? The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2012 #3
By executive order, ATF shuts down sales of new units of a whole range of firearms. Loudly Dec 2012 #4
A gun shop owner to the Courts asking (and probably receiving) an injunction. There kelly1mm Dec 2012 #15
A gun shop owner who would be very uncomfortably famous very quickly. Loudly Dec 2012 #32
Gun store owners are disgusting droogs for the most part. They'd be lining up to be a part of it. WastedSaint Dec 2012 #37
Consoler-in-Chief versus the Merchants of Death. Loudly Dec 2012 #43
Like Andrew Jackson once said, "The Court has made it's decision, now let them back it up" Bandit Dec 2012 #64
Cannot be done legally, even a Zombie like Shares United would know that ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #18
It only makes sense. Llewlladdwr Dec 2012 #5
Doubtful. AWB doesn't ban the AR-15 Recursion Dec 2012 #6
With better drafting, we can ban the AR-15, too. morningfog Dec 2012 #14
More importantly, the AWB does not ban the sale, possession, use, or purchase of an ar-15. It kelly1mm Dec 2012 #16
And even then only with a collapsable stock or bayonet lug Recursion Dec 2012 #23
The problem is that's way too many guns Recursion Dec 2012 #22
Maybe. I was around when the original AWB was passed back in 1994. Llewlladdwr Dec 2012 #24
Seems that so many American men have small penises AZ Progressive Dec 2012 #7
That's a German Tmloft Dec 2012 #20
So nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #28
It's OK, the German MG42 also serves as a penis extenstion for RW Gunner types. WastedSaint Dec 2012 #40
Pure comedy gold. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #41
From a video game I am sure plenty of RW kids have played. ElbarDee Dec 2012 #57
Yes, because only RW kids play violent video games AlexSatan Dec 2012 #61
Just like only RW kids breath air. ElbarDee Dec 2012 #62
And you base your assumption on what? AlexSatan Dec 2012 #65
I have gone and read quite a few of your posts here ElbarDee Dec 2012 #66
What? AlexSatan Dec 2012 #67
Juvenile post rl6214 Dec 2012 #45
I believe gun ownership will increase vastly because of the talk plethoro Dec 2012 #8
Did you just say "F(uck) gun owners"? flvegan Dec 2012 #9
So actually....NRA blocking any meaningful reform is good for business. The more outrageous the kill Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2012 #10
Yep except extend it....people buy more guns resulting in a higher incidence of massacres which Flabbergasted Dec 2012 #31
taken to its steamy illogical conclusion, everyone has infinite guns and everyone's dead 0rganism Dec 2012 #70
How many guns can they shoot at a time? julian09 Dec 2012 #13
It's not about shooting. ellisonz Dec 2012 #26
All the more reason to pass a Federal law outlawing not just their sale, but their possession. Warren DeMontague Dec 2012 #19
And the tens of millions of AR-15s currently in people's gun safes? Recursion Dec 2012 #29
I guess we'll burn that bridge when we come to it, won't we. Warren DeMontague Dec 2012 #30
Yeah, no sense in planning ahead AlexSatan Dec 2012 #50
Are there no foundries, are there no blast furnaces? n/t Fumesucker Dec 2012 #34
Are there people willing to go door to door and search for them? (nt) Recursion Dec 2012 #35
Ask David Koresh Fumesucker Dec 2012 #36
Confiscate them. Hugabear Dec 2012 #44
You're telling me! I went to get about 15 hicap rifle mags before prices got too bad... OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #38
I'm very sorry that you weren't able to buy more MurderMags before the NRA types got to them. WastedSaint Dec 2012 #42
Just found some on Midway USA... decent prices too! OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #47
Snap em up and celebrate. Hoyt Dec 2012 #52
Limit 2 per type. ileus Dec 2012 #54
I just made 4 different orders. OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #63
How Nice For You. Paladin Dec 2012 #68
Have you checked out pmag prices a CTD? ileus Dec 2012 #72
Ugh, gun nuts. nt geek tragedy Dec 2012 #69
The entire town of Newtown, CT just shed a single collective tear for you. Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2012 #71
nothing sells better than a pro gun ad featuring 20 dead children nt msongs Dec 2012 #46
This is one sick country. SammyWinstonJack Dec 2012 #49
Personally, anyone who would buy a gun just days after Friday, should be deemed unfit to own guns. Hoyt Dec 2012 #51
You know those basers. ileus Dec 2012 #55
Yes, I know you guys well. How many of these type weapons do you currently own? Hoyt Dec 2012 #60
None of my firearms are lethal. ileus Dec 2012 #73
Usual crud from gungeon elite. Enjoy your guns. Hoyt Dec 2012 #74
How long until mass shootings are perpetrated by nuts fearing a loss of their 2A? nt Comrade_McKenzie Dec 2012 #56
The people buying guns now abelenkpe Dec 2012 #58
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