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allrevvedup

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40. Boy that didn't take long.

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 03:02 AM

Dec 2012

Remember in 2009 when Obama appointed Geitner and Summers all those Clintonistas and everybody thought he was the incarnation of Herbert Hitler Hoover? Well some did. I'm happy to say they were wrong. A lot what Obama says and does is theater, protective deception, and a lot of what he actually does is right on. Who's going to tell us though? MSNBC? The NYT? Heck no. They've got their MIC talking points or lets say they're part of the business establishment and to that extent they inadvertently help BO keep the public eye off the ball.

So if the talking heads are whispering about Obama taking a scalpel to SS, you might take comfort in knowing that wingers are taking comfort even though what he eventually does will probably be less heinous.

And I'd expect a deal before Christmas because I don't think he's going to pull the plug on survival lifelines in the dead of winter just to score a political point. Gingrich would do it, but thankfully BO isn't Gingrich. And I don't think he really needs to, as satisfying as it might be to us. I could be wrong. Just my humble O.

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Could Obama be a wolf in sheeps clothing? Evidently he is backing cuts to Social Security! [View all] In Truth We Trust Dec 2012 OP

"President Barack Obama has agreed to curtail future cost-of-living increases for social security" HiPointDem Dec 2012 #1

then he better also curtail increases in the cost of medicare for SS recipients. Mel Content Dec 2012 #6

absolutely pangaia Dec 2012 #12

He needs to curtail increases in Medicare supplemental premiums. Lugnut Dec 2012 #14

Impossible. I've been assured repeatedly by his official fan club that Marr Dec 2012 #43

I have been a believer in that for some time, actually. teddy51 Dec 2012 #2

He's politically talented enough to pin that on Republicans. When they're voted out, problem solved Loudly Dec 2012 #3

No. Problem still exists. Blame is the only thing that changes. WTF is wrong with you? Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #30

I'm counting on those real people to vote. People who may have been voting Republican until now. Loudly Dec 2012 #33

. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #37

Listen, I AM one of those real people. I do vote and have never voted for a repug! SammyWinstonJack Dec 2012 #58

It's too late once it's done. n/t ohheckyeah Dec 2012 #83

That's not any real surprise is it? Between him and Romney doc03 Dec 2012 #4

I guess it needs to be asked. Control-Z Dec 2012 #5

+1 nt wildbilln864 Dec 2012 #7

I'm not really concerned about your opinion of my original post so much as I am In Truth We Trust Dec 2012 #10

Ah. I see. Control-Z Dec 2012 #15

Seriously? You really needed clarification? Seriously? In Truth We Trust Dec 2012 #19

Well, yeah. I did. Control-Z Dec 2012 #22

You are very insincere. Please refrain from consuming my time with bullshit and false accusations. In Truth We Trust Dec 2012 #24

Actually, I was being sincere. Control-Z Dec 2012 #25

Thanks elleng Dec 2012 #29

Thank You. People on the outside, looking in through tiny windows and coming to conclusions about patrice Dec 2012 #46

trust the process by insuring hopemountain Dec 2012 #79

i sent my letters to my reps this a.m. hopemountain Dec 2012 #75

He is not a wolf....He is a Blue Dog Teamster Jeff Dec 2012 #8

This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Dec 2012 #27

Are you saying that Barack Obama is a liar? Wouldn't that mean that we should oppose him & patrice Dec 2012 #34

This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Dec 2012 #55

At this point, what's going on is about Congress & 2014. patrice Dec 2012 #31

Has it come to the point where winning the election is more important GreenPartyVoter Dec 2012 #72

Jeff you rule AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #52

vigorous nod in agreement, hopemountain Dec 2012 #81

No. n/t NYC Liberal Dec 2012 #9

Thanks elleng Dec 2012 #28

If health care costs go down & services covered increase, CPI is of lower priority, right? patrice Dec 2012 #32

Evidently he is a Republican. forestpath Dec 2012 #11

Did you forget something? Control-Z Dec 2012 #17

Obama certainly implied just that recently Fumesucker Dec 2012 #20

Well. There you go then. (nt) Control-Z Dec 2012 #23

I don't need a sarcasm thingy. Throwing seniors over the cliff speaks for itself. forestpath Dec 2012 #60

Why is he giving in on anything? pangaia Dec 2012 #13

Exactly! Why? See original post. In Truth We Trust Dec 2012 #16

Calm Down Tmloft Dec 2012 #18

Obama is doing fine on this one, and everyone will be better off - but I could be wrong. Hoyt Dec 2012 #21

You could be wrong & there are plenty of dishonest types around working their butts off to see to it patrice Dec 2012 #35

Recipients of medicare, medicaid, social security, the working poor and the middle class will not HiPointDem Dec 2012 #36

I'm not sure about that. Hoyt Dec 2012 #38

how's that? by definition, all those groups will get less as their spending power a/o benefits are HiPointDem Dec 2012 #39

We could be living in Greece where they fucked around to long and had too make Hoyt Dec 2012 #41

we could be living in nazi germany, or in the us in 1929. but we're not. $400 billion in medical HiPointDem Dec 2012 #42

Link please. If it's cuts to overpaid providers, not concerned about that. Hoyt Dec 2012 #44

"Cuts to overpaid providers" who would have a lot of interest in creating mistrust of PO. nt patrice Dec 2012 #48

... HiPointDem Dec 2012 #49

So it's $33 billion in potential cuts if it happens, versus $400 billion in headlines above. Hoyt Dec 2012 #59

no, it's $400 billion in cuts, those are just the ones that seniors pay for directly. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #68

Right and other $367 B go to providers like pharmaecuticals, Medicare HMOs, etc., that are overpaid. Hoyt Dec 2012 #70

it won't be pharma taking the cuts. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #94

Let's see -- If economy gets better, SS fund gets richer. ACA gives us new Medicare services. Hoyt Dec 2012 #89

if the economy improves, those things will happen whether or not seniors take cuts to medicare. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #93

Gloom, gloom, gloom. Be happy and positive. Obama's got this. Hoyt Dec 2012 #96

oh? and you receive ss or disability? hopemountain Dec 2012 #84

Eligible right now -- how about you? Hoyt Dec 2012 #87

eligible but choosing not to take it, eh? hopemountain Dec 2012 #90

Who is callous in their judgement? I think all seniors will be better off, considering situation. Hoyt Dec 2012 #91

2/3 of seniors rely on SS for half or more of their income. 1/3 rely on it for 90% or more. The HiPointDem Dec 2012 #97

This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Dec 2012 #26

Boy that didn't take long. allrevvedup Dec 2012 #40

Actually, Obama followed Hoover policies MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #56

We are not in a depression. We are not even in a recession (nt) Nye Bevan Dec 2012 #66

We're not in a recession, but we are in a depression MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #67

We're not in a depression. Did you notice that GM still makes cars allrevvedup Dec 2012 #99

i agree with your humble O hopemountain Dec 2012 #92

thanks hopemountain, allrevvedup Dec 2012 #98

petition signed hopemountain Dec 2012 #107

No, but since the Huffington Post headline SAYS SO, CakeGrrl Dec 2012 #45

also reported in the NYT, WAPO, WSJ & LA Times. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #50

Nailed it...nt SidDithers Dec 2012 #65

it is as you say hopemountain Dec 2012 #108

No. Thank you all for your grave concern. Hekate Dec 2012 #47

The concern is all rather consistently 'grave', isn't it? Summer Hathaway Dec 2012 #53

Regardless what he does he cannot do without Congress, so if social security, medicare, and the still_one Dec 2012 #51

He's not powerless against congreess. He has the veto pen. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2012 #74

True, but that means if Congress holds firm social security or medicare would not be cut still_one Dec 2012 #85

If he caves on SS and/or medicare they will be cut. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2012 #86

Agreed, and as far as I am concerned if they are cut, from my perspective I am finished with them. still_one Dec 2012 #88

Basically he's Lincoln or at least in the same position AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #54

"Wolf in sheep's clothing"? Here we go again with Obama-bashing from The Left's TeaParty. Sheesh. RBInMaine Dec 2012 #57

reagan democrat Jakes Progress Dec 2012 #61

Obama LWolf Dec 2012 #62

A "new" Democrat isn't a Democrat, period. duffyduff Dec 2012 #63

Agreed. nt LWolf Dec 2012 #64

+1 n/t whathehell Dec 2012 #102

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Dec 2012 #69

+1 Liberalynn Dec 2012 #76

I've never believed he was anything but a very conservative Democrat OR a moderate Republican. whathehell Dec 2012 #104

unrec. for bullshit. spanone Dec 2012 #71

Unfortunately, he's a sheep in sheep's clothing, easily stampeded by the right. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2012 #73

+1 MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #77

he's a sheep in sheeps clothing... bowens43 Dec 2012 #78

I never believed that he would'nt be open to cuts, I always thought he was clear on that. Puzzledtraveller Dec 2012 #80

I've got news for you-- he's been pushing for Social Security cuts since Marr Dec 2012 #82

DING! DING! DING! COLGATE4 Dec 2012 #95

That's untrue! MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #103

Well they'd better curtail the increases in food and shelter costs then magical thyme Dec 2012 #100

I don't believe that sandyshoes17 Dec 2012 #101

Actually, the 65+ demo didn't vote for us. gulliver Dec 2012 #105

Amen! democrattotheend Dec 2012 #109

Call your Congress member and Senators tomorrow The Second Stone Dec 2012 #106