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39. and the beat goes on...
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 04:09 PM
Apr 2025
The Good and the Bad of Joe Biden's Presidency
Story by Tim Dickinson, Tessa Stuart and Andrew Perez • 2mo • 6 min read
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/the-good-and-the-bad-of-joe-biden-s-presidency/ar-AA1xsT4v?ocid=Peregrine
Unfortunately, Biden's best legislative achievements may be forgotten, as some were only temporary - and others could soon be undone by Republicans. Biden's mistakes and shortcomings will likely be felt far longer, as he now cedes control of America to Trump, a Congress fully controlled by conservatives, and a far-right Supreme Court supermajority dedicated to rolling back the past century of American progress - and which has already bestowed on Trump unprecedented powers. The violence and destruction that the Biden administration supported overseas will, of course, be permanent.

Trump's authoritarian aims pose a grievous threat to the democratic institutions and norms Biden has long held dear - and which Biden failed to protect and, in some ways, crucially undermined as president, himself. Biden's story arc could be the stuff of a Greek tragedy. Unfortunately for the rest of us, it's real life.

How the Democrats Blew It
Insiders open up about how the Harris campaign lost touch with voters — and how Trump came out on top
By Tessa Stuart, Asawin Suebsaeng, Andrew Perez
Illustration by VICTOR JUHASZ
January 11, 2025


Dem Operatives Offer an Exhaustive Accounting of the Harris Campaign’s Faults
…Because you’re not getting it from that Pod Save America interview with Kamala Harris’ campaign leaders
By Tessa Stuart
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/kamala-harris-what-went-wrong-1235183829/
November 28, 2024
Kamala Harris raised more than $1.5 billion dollars in less than 107 days — a staggering, incomprehensible sum of money that signified an enormous confidence in her ability to deliver the presidency — and then she went on to lose all seven battleground states and the popular vote to a four times-indicted, twice-impeached, convicted felon and adjudicated sexual abuser. If losing that badly weren’t fuck-up enough, the campaign appears to have ceased operations tens of millions of dollars in debt. The party’s financial outlook is so bleak that, on November 18, the Democratic National Committee laid off an undisclosed number of staff — with a single day’s notice and no severance — an act the party’s union decried as the result of “callous and short-sighted management.” It was a truly ignominious end to Harris’ much-hyped candidacy, so, unsurprisingly, there are a lot of people — Democratic voters, volunteers, and donors — asking, What the hell happened? Anyone looking for a satisfying answer won’t be getting it from senior Harris-Walz officials, four of whom — campaign manager Jen O’Malley Dillion, deputy campaign manager Quentin Fulks, and senior advisors Stephanie Cutter and David Plouffe — emerged from the still-smoldering wreckage of the campaign this week to chat with Pod Save America about “What Went Wrong.” Here’s what that conversation didn’t include: any mention of voters who may have sat out the election in disgust over the American-underwritten atrocities in Gaza; any meaningful engagement with the critique that attempting to court Republican voters might have come at the expense of turning out party faithful; or any reflection that there may have been a better use for $20 million worth of donations than a concert series featuring Katy Perry, Bon Jovi, and 2 Chainz. (At least one DNC source speculated the astronomical price tag associated with the concerts, which Cutter championed, was a contributing factor to the DNC’s decision to lay staff off early.) In the absence of introspection from senior campaign officials themselves, Rolling Stone spoke with consultants, strategists, and party staffers — some who worked directly with the Harris campaign, who requested anonymity to speak freely, and others who worked on prior presidential campaigns — to solicit their unvarnished opinions about where Harris-Walz went wrong. And they have a lot of opinions! Opinions about Joe Biden’s decision to run for reelection in the first place; about Harris’ decision to keep his senior team in place instead of firing them immediately; about the candidate’s reluctance to signal a meaningful break from a historically unpopular president; about the campaign’s decisions to squander their budget on stunt advertising while failing to deliver a consistent message to persuadable voters; about the pitfalls of relying on “efficiency” models to guide paid media investments; about their failure to answer to the biggest attack launched by their opponent — and, yeah, pretty much everyone agreed she should have gone on Joe Rogan. Any honest accounting has to begin with the fact that the biggest burden on Harris’ candidacy was the fact that it began in July 2024, rather than April 2023 — a reality created by Biden’s insistence on running for reelection after he aggressively signaled he would serve a single term in office. Only one halfway credible challenger emerged to raise questions about this decision, Rep. Dean Phillips of Minnesota, who was recruited into the race by Steve Schmidt. “What Joe Biden did was the greatest act of egotism in American history,” Schmidt says.

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Kick dalton99a Apr 2025 #1
archived link Celerity Apr 2025 #61
Seriously? Moostache Apr 2025 #102
It's amazing what people choose to hear. NCDem47 Apr 2025 #103
And, of course, Gaza and the economy are just fine lame54 Apr 2025 #2
Are you being serious or sarcastic? questionseverything Apr 2025 #11
I think you know the answer to that. emulatorloo Apr 2025 #69
I had a few concerns about the Harris campaign myself Raven123 Apr 2025 #3
When she did the Texas rally with beyonce I wondered questionseverything Apr 2025 #14
I think she came to Texas because Sweet Freedom Apr 2025 #25
Hind sight should be 20/20....she lost texas by 13 points questionseverything Apr 2025 #34
forget hindsight, internal polling showed she was not close there bottomofthehill Apr 2025 #51
I remember having the same thoughts Raven123 Apr 2025 #30
I thought it was worth making one trip to Texas... Jack Valentino Apr 2025 #83
It was election eve, she should of been whipping up Wisconsin questionseverything Apr 2025 #84
Wisconsin, rather than Michigan, Pennsylvania and everyplace else? Jack Valentino Apr 2025 #86
And yet people frequently say we need a 50-state strategy mcar Apr 2025 #111
I agree with a 50-state strategy on the more LOCAL level. Not national. Blasphemer Apr 2025 #127
Post removed Post removed Apr 2025 #119
Old & stupid? questionseverything Apr 2025 #120
This. yardwork Apr 2025 #22
I have no problem calling them stupid tulipsandroses Apr 2025 #58
They are motivated to vote in 2026 JustAnotherGen Apr 2025 #79
The reasoning is dumb newdeal2 Apr 2025 #4
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil SocialDemocrat61 Apr 2025 #12
So true. bottomofthehill Apr 2025 #53
According to YouGov poll - Gaza was a biggie womanofthehills Apr 2025 #100
Great newdeal2 Apr 2025 #104
Its exasperating Cosmocat Apr 2025 #124
That was the intended outcome. yardwork Apr 2025 #130
Putin's money was well-spent. yardwork Apr 2025 #131
It is a simple answer Bettie Apr 2025 #5
+1 dalton99a Apr 2025 #6
These are Democratic voters they surveyed GusBob Apr 2025 #9
Harris, during the campaign, really went after Trump Kaleva Apr 2025 #16
They weren't Democratic voters -- they were Biden voters. W_HAMILTON Apr 2025 #20
Based on some of the replies here: issues dont matter GusBob Apr 2025 #26
Are you suggesting there isn't racism in the Democratic Party? MagickMuffin Apr 2025 #28
I have personally experienced both racism and sexism from the left. Blasphemer Apr 2025 #66
Yup, people actually said Shapiro shouldn't be VP JI7 Apr 2025 #96
Yep...that's exactly it. Racism on full. Now...those asshat voters have Trump. Bengus81 Apr 2025 #17
I agree. yardwork Apr 2025 #23
the snip literally discusses the motivations of black men maxsolomon Apr 2025 #52
Some people will vote against their interests Keepthesoulalive Apr 2025 #87
Not true. synni Apr 2025 #54
Biden saved our economy after a pandemic. We had the best recovery of any nation. travelingthrulife Apr 2025 #116
Gross & Unsupported Extrapolation ProfessorGAC Apr 2025 #133
40% of the country could not afford a $400. Emergency questionseverything Apr 2025 #137
Not Close To My Point ProfessorGAC Apr 2025 #138
Post # 54 said, "not spending as much money " questionseverything Apr 2025 #139
Can you present any Littlered Apr 2025 #77
They weren't going to vote for Biden either. Self Esteem Apr 2025 #90
I highly recommend dems stop listing groups - it's just used to divide Tadpole Raisin Apr 2025 #7
People will cover up their racism and sexism with a paper towel if they have to. nt Jit423 Apr 2025 #8
Whether this survey is accurate or not, what it says in d the American public are a bunch JohnSJ Apr 2025 #10
We have the populace we have EdmondDantes_ Apr 2025 #19
It was also a colossal mistake to campaign with Liz Cheney, of all people Rob H. Apr 2025 #13
That neither helped or hurt her. Kaleva Apr 2025 #18
That statement flies in the face of reality Rob H. Apr 2025 #38
Oooo a PUNDIT! emulatorloo Apr 2025 #68
However... EuterpeThelo Apr 2025 #80
Agree BannonsLiver Apr 2025 #109
Didn't matter either way except to overly online people looking for an excuse to let Trump win emulatorloo Apr 2025 #67
Hmmm progressoid Apr 2025 #15
Not the brightest bulbs in the world Kaleva Apr 2025 #21
No matter what disappointments/dislikes Biden voters may have had... 3catwoman3 Apr 2025 #24
People are looking for reasons to vote for someone not just voting against the other guy. MichMan Apr 2025 #65
Nah, these Non-Voters are looking for excuses. Unfortunately they are going to find out what a mistake emulatorloo Apr 2025 #71
I don't care what these idiots thought. FalloutShelter Apr 2025 #27
Exactly !!! SamKnause Apr 2025 #35
+ 1000 LoisB Apr 2025 #43
a thousand x moonscape Apr 2025 #73
Myopia. That's why! Behind the Aegis Apr 2025 #29
Zero critical thinking skills !!! SamKnause Apr 2025 #31
I am in total agreement. LoisB Apr 2025 #44
Not interested kacekwl Apr 2025 #32
Yada Yada Yada ._. Apr 2025 #33
It's OK you kacekwl Apr 2025 #36
I hope all of them find their voter registrations still intact. Frasier Balzov Apr 2025 #37
and the beat goes on... stillcool Apr 2025 #39
"Unhappy with their choices"??? MotherFUCK these non-voters. Paladin Apr 2025 #40
Agree, but if it's close again I bet there will still be plenty of effort to get them back thought crime Apr 2025 #85
By The Way These RobinA Apr 2025 #41
Some of them turned on Harris because she didn't address mcar Apr 2025 #42
I have a problem with the wasn't serious reason Tree Lady Apr 2025 #45
Im not even reading it. Why did trump publicly thank musk for his great Karadeniz Apr 2025 #46
Bull. I have voted since 1968 and have yet to see a "perfect" candidate or one who addressed LoisB Apr 2025 #47
they were Biden voters. yogina Apr 2025 #48
I just hate this kind of bullshit. ananda Apr 2025 #49
Dumb and worthless dung JanMichael Apr 2025 #50
Oh it's the Dems fault again Clouds Passing Apr 2025 #55
Inactive voters have been purged in every election cycle Jose Garcia Apr 2025 #141
Thank you for this. My reaction to these folks is: Joinfortmill Apr 2025 #56
Everything went perfectly. No notes. Sympthsical Apr 2025 #57
The non voters didn't vote either way GusBob Apr 2025 #76
Yes. I said this all throughout 2024. Self Esteem Apr 2025 #91
Exactly. The fiction that Harris' people ran a perfect campaign, as has been claimed here repeatedly Rob H. Apr 2025 #97
I want the word "flawless" excised from the dictionary Sympthsical Apr 2025 #107
Several things are true at the same time. yardwork Apr 2025 #128
Clickbait title. RandySF Apr 2025 #59
And here we are. Because of them. Idiots. OrlandoDem2 Apr 2025 #60
They are motivated to vote in 2026? LisaL Apr 2025 #62
So returning a rapist and convicted felon Hassler Apr 2025 #63
IF there are free and open elections again, the Republicans will never win again. /nt artemisia1 Apr 2025 #64
On Sarah Longwell's focus group podcast... tishaLA Apr 2025 #70
I understand why someone maybe didn't know she was a senator MichMan Apr 2025 #72
It is never a choice between a perfect candidate and pure evil and incompetence (although this election came close). waterwatcher123 Apr 2025 #74
These threads are always so much fun. Fla_Democrat Apr 2025 #75
I don't buy any of these people's bullshit excuses. Wingus Dingus Apr 2025 #78
Me me me me me me. I don't believe these claims to be engaged with politics and yet both sides same. betsuni Apr 2025 #81
Yup! Like I said upthread...myopia. Behind the Aegis Apr 2025 #89
Yup, it's always Oprah and Beyonce that was so offensive JI7 Apr 2025 #95
So it is all the Democrats' fault people didn't vote, voted third party, or voted GOP. valleyrogue Apr 2025 #82
So many senseless mindless commonsense-free excuses. It's on voters. betsuni Apr 2025 #93
"...she left early after Harris failed to address the issues that mattered most to her." LudwigPastorius Apr 2025 #88
The responses to this thread are baffling. Self Esteem Apr 2025 #92
They voted for a Vile Creature that was on full display JI7 Apr 2025 #94
FAFO ismnotwasm Apr 2025 #98
Well let them live and learn. republianmushroom Apr 2025 #99
The Democrats have been losing significantly since 2010. Passages Apr 2025 #101
What policies are those? Keepthesoulalive Apr 2025 #105
Universal healthcare for one, start there. Getting sick is USA's number 1 reason for bankruptcy. Passages Apr 2025 #110
They didn't give a damn Keepthesoulalive Apr 2025 #112
Then we'll keep losing. Passages Apr 2025 #113
Look at the MTG thread Keepthesoulalive Apr 2025 #114
I'm well aware of what we are up against. Passages Apr 2025 #115
The only way you can win is by Keepthesoulalive Apr 2025 #118
When the aca passed we had 60 Democratic senators questionseverything Apr 2025 #121
After reading about the horse trading going on and the procedural hurdles Keepthesoulalive Apr 2025 #122
I was replying to post# 114 , you said repubs blocked dems questionseverything Apr 2025 #123
We have had in our rank's people who were dems in name only Keepthesoulalive Apr 2025 #125
Lieberman was kinda the public face fighting the public option questionseverything Apr 2025 #132
Ok Keepthesoulalive Apr 2025 #134
I'm old, I was taught to study and remember the past so we don't repeat the bad parts questionseverything Apr 2025 #135
They had 60 votes for for 4 months and 10 days -- September 24, 2009 to February 4, 2010. betsuni Apr 2025 #136
Idiots alarimer Apr 2025 #106
Stay-at-home non-voters put trump back in the White House. Paladin Apr 2025 #108
AOC was smart enough to sit down and learn from Pelosi. travelingthrulife Apr 2025 #117
Just IMO anyone knowing Trump's record and Harris's but didn't vote... CousinIT Apr 2025 #126
Whatever their eexcuse rickyhall Apr 2025 #129
Way recommended. H2O Man Apr 2025 #140
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