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ElboRuum

(4,717 posts)
52. It's called "collective will".
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 07:02 PM
Dec 2012

At one point in this country, nearly every adult smoked. Heavily. The health concerns of smoking became known and that began the anti-smoking movement.

It started out small, and it took decades to build, but the collective will was there and it remained. Now the numbers of smokers have dwindled. As a smoker myself, I find some of what I must deal with occasionally annoying, but I can't argue with the benefits to individuals and society at large for taking this stance. The benefits are real and profound.

The genie won't be going back into the bottle today or tomorrow, but so long as the collective will is toward tighter control and access to firearms, that genie WILL be put back in. The fact is that the human cost at the societal level to near absent gun regulation to access and use, at this moment, is too high to for that society to bear.

The problem with all of this is that "responsible gun ownership" should be not just some statement of esoterica, a flimsy platitude offered up by those with a vested interest in maintaining the status quo. I believe that there are responsible gun owners. However, just saying so doesn't make it so in any given case.

If you want to drive a car in this country, you need to pass a competency test and a knowledge test dealing with the rules of the road. You must pass an eye exam or have the appropriate corrective lenses. You must have proof of insurance, just in the event that you do inflict property or personal damage with your car. There are different classes of licenses for different types of vehicles, after all we wouldn't someone who knows only how to drive a car to get behind the wheel of a semi, would we? When you buy or sell a car, you must make the appropriate records of sale and transfer of title.

In a similar vein, you should have to prove your responsibility to own and use a firearm. Use whatever measures you like, but it is ludicrous that any jackass in this country can get a gun for any reason with a minimum of effort and no proof of competency with regard to its operation or understanding of the law regarding its use. The collective will should be at least the level of burden of proof of responsibility for the ownership and operation of a motor vehicle, something whose incidental capability of lethality is somehow more worrisome than something whose primary purpose is lethality.

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Is there a link? Fridays Child Dec 2012 #1
Here it is: Bicoastal Dec 2012 #3
... Robb Dec 2012 #4
Madness ! virgogal Dec 2012 #2
Sometimes I think this isn't such a bad idea... LAGC Dec 2012 #5
Elementary kids? gollygee Dec 2012 #6
Oh yeah? How about giving them the keys to the SUV ... frazzled Dec 2012 #7
What's the other option? ComplimentarySwine Dec 2012 #23
I'm not ignoring the problem ... frazzled Dec 2012 #39
No. kiva Dec 2012 #12
Really? ElboRuum Dec 2012 #13
Do tell, how is the "genie" (guns) going to get put back in the bottle? ComplimentarySwine Dec 2012 #25
The issue (problem) has been with us for too many generations... sanatanadharma Dec 2012 #36
So, no idea then? ComplimentarySwine Dec 2012 #40
Personal choice... sanatanadharma Dec 2012 #48
It's easy to say, but HOW? ComplimentarySwine Dec 2012 #50
It's called "collective will". ElboRuum Dec 2012 #52
Nuts? ellisonz Dec 2012 #14
That is absolutely crazy sellitman Dec 2012 #20
I knew a 14 year old who accidentally killed himself Ilsa Dec 2012 #21
So your solution is more guns Cali_Democrat Dec 2012 #24
The adults in schools do not want to be armed. That is just one more thing the public wants. MichiganVote Dec 2012 #30
Are you out of your fucking mind? Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #34
We spend $60 Billion dollars on the DEA every yr. Why not take all those agents, helicopters & swat Warren DeMontague Dec 2012 #45
That's the most sensible solution I've heard yet. LAGC Dec 2012 #46
The story said it was unloaded Politicalboi Dec 2012 #51
The article about this doesn't say that his parents gave him a gun to take to school. Fridays Child Dec 2012 #8
you are correct, it does not say that. but, obviously, the child had access to the gun, so it niyad Dec 2012 #11
I made the same point but a parent giving a kid a gun to take to school... Fridays Child Dec 2012 #19
No, not really marions ghost Dec 2012 #27
Just to be clear, you think that parents making the mistake of not sufficiently securing firearms... Fridays Child Dec 2012 #37
Absoeffinglutely! marions ghost Dec 2012 #49
Well, why not say the parents killed JFK? cthulu2016 Dec 2012 #29
channel 4news said it and the fox13 link said the same thing.....go back and read Sheepshank Dec 2012 #43
Too bad the kid didn't have Jesus ... earthside Dec 2012 #9
Would you please correct your post title? kiva Dec 2012 #10
Oh, that's fuckin' helpful. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #15
Edit the Damn Headline! (please) cthulu2016 Dec 2012 #16
damn...repeating local headlines...read the fox 13link above before you employ righteous indignation Sheepshank Dec 2012 #44
... Granite District Spokesman Ben Horsley said that the student apparently brought the gun struggle4progress Dec 2012 #17
Hopefully the parents get locked up Superbot Dec 2012 #18
That is what needs to happen marions ghost Dec 2012 #28
Training em' young to be paranoid and fearful. Good goin' NRA. glinda Dec 2012 #22
In my state this kid would be expelled for a year proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #26
Mine too! And teachers would be fired for doing it. We People Dec 2012 #35
West Kearns Utah doesn't exactly have the brightest bulbs. liberalmuse Dec 2012 #31
Gun Nuts Never Cease To Amaze Me rbrnmw Dec 2012 #32
In CA there is zero tolerance for weapons in schools, IIRC. kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #33
I didn't think parents could be this stupid AZ Progressive Dec 2012 #38
Please check your facts anonymous444 Dec 2012 #41
Already tried reasoning with the OP. Fridays Child Dec 2012 #42
just repeating what I had heard on kutv4. Sheepshank Dec 2012 #47
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