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In reply to the discussion: Looks like Obama's on the cusp of fulfilling his dream [View all]neverforget
(9,514 posts)67. Don't worry Manny, it's only a "technical change".
http://www.enewspf.com/latest-news/latest-national/39244-white-house-press-briefing-by-jay-carney-december-18-2012.html
Q Yes, Jay, a lot of top Democrats on the Hill, and I think President Obama, spent the campaign season saying, lets not touch Social Security -- it doesnt add to the deficit; we can resolve this issue without going to that entitlement program. What is the Presidents message to those lawmakers who promised constituents that Social Security would not be touched after the President now has put chain CPI on the table for Republicans?
MR. CARNEY: Well, lets be clear about one thing: The President didnt put it on the table. This is something that Republicans want. And it is --
Q But the Republicans --
MR. CARNEY: -- part of his -- if I could please answer Sams question, Id appreciate it. And the President did include it in his counterproposal, his counteroffer, as part of this process, as part of the negotiation process. I would note that this is a technical change -- would be if instated -- to the way that economists calculate inflation, and it would affect every program that has -- that uses the CPI in its calculations. And so its not directed at one particular program; it would affect every program that uses CPI. There are also -- as part of the Presidents proposals, he would make sure that the most vulnerable were exempted out from this change.
But lets be clear, this is something that the Republicans have asked for, and as part of an effort to find common ground with the Republicans, the President has agreed to put this in his proposal -- agreed to have this as part of a broad deficit reduction package that includes asking the wealthiest to pay more so that we can achieve the kind of revenue targets that are necessary for a balanced approach to deficit reduction.
Q Right, but theres a lot -- again, my question was theres a lot of people who voted for these lawmakers on a promise that --
MR. CARNEY: You heard the President say every time he talked about this --
Q Can I finish my question?
MR. CARNEY: Sure, yes.
Q A lot of people -- Ill let you answer -- a lot of people voted for these lawmakers for reelection not too long ago on a promise that Social Security wouldnt be touched, and if it was touched, it would be done separately from these fiscal cliff negotiations. What do those people -- what are these people now supposed to believe about the promises that their lawmakers made, including the President?
MR. CARNEY: Let me again make clear two things. One, the President has always said as part of this process when were talking about the spending cuts side of this that it would require tough choices by both sides. And that is certainly the case if you want to reach an agreement.
Secondly, this is a technical adjustment that supporters of it and economists -- outside economists say is meant to make the governments estimates of inflation more accurate. Thirdly, as part of the Presidents proposal, there is a clause that would protect vulnerable communities including the very elderly when it comes to Social Security recipients.
So theres no question that it represents an effort to compromise, but it is also not -- this is a technical adjustment that economists believe is about getting the proper measure of inflation, and it is one sought by Republicans.
So, again, were not going to get everything we want. We knew that the Presidents proposal that he put forward to the super committee that we put forward in the beginning of these negotiations would not pass unchanged. But I think your question demonstrates the absolute fact that the President has shown enormous good faith in trying to reach a compromise here. And it would be shocking if Republicans passed up this opportunity for what they say they seek, which is significant deficit reduction, significant spending cuts, simply to protect those just shy of being millionaires from having to pay a dime extra in income taxes.
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OldDem2012
Dec 2012
#14
Tens of thousands of human lives have no importance to you, other than American boots?
leveymg
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#202
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OldDem2012
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If Manny was agreeing with what was happenin and praising Obama I'd be surprised otherwise BAU
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What if the trial balloon originated on the right and the MSM reported it as coming from the left?..
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Whoooooshhh! That's the sound of my post going over your head at 50,000 feet. nt.
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#48
Couldn't answer your question, such that it was, because it completely missed the point of my post..
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#60
guess what, it was the white house that leaked the details. what do you say now?
HiPointDem
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Like Clinton himelf would say - it depends on what your definition of "bankrupt" is.
truedelphi
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#190
Wow. So first Carney says the President didn't propose it, that it was a Republican
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#170
Pretty sweet deal huh? These "technical adjustments" affect people's lives
neverforget
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#173
Thanks for that. You will know them by their WORKS, not by their rhetoric, promises, or excuses.
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I signed the petition. Funny how so many posters who claim President Obama won't
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#77
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#108
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