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WSHazel

(856 posts)
22. I am rooting for the stock market to behave rationally
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 01:26 PM
Apr 2025

I have spent my career in corporate finance and I can’t describe the chaos and blatant manipulation in an intelligent way to my clients. The S&P should be under 5000 given the regulatory uncertainty, and along the same lines, the Euro should be at $1.20/Euro or so, and the Yen should be higher, maybe 125 or 130/dollar. 10 year yield should be closer to 5%. All those targets are based on standard economic theory going back decades and macroeconomic capital flows that are already happening. I am not alone in thinking this.

So why is none of that happening with equities, fixed income, or currencies? I am open to the rules of economics changing, but I need someone to explain the new rules. No one can beyond “MAGA” has created a new reality, or at least convinced a big part of the market there is a new, very alternate, reality.

Two guests on Bloomberg this morning expressed similar sentiments to mine in terms of where the market should be, including one picking that Euro target, and the second guest said that he can’t explain the supply/demand dynamics for Treasuries. Neither can I, but I don’t know spit about bond markets and only follow Treasuries at all because they are occasionally a benchmark for debt. The guy on Bloomberg was a senior fixed income trader at SocGen and he couldn’t explain it.

So my question is: what the fudge is happening?

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I hate to admit it but yes I am rooting against it. ArnoldLayne Apr 2025 #1
Not rooting against market. But if it's dropping/stagnating because of trump, he deserves all blame. Silent Type Apr 2025 #2
I'm rooting against Tesla also. OLDMDDEM Apr 2025 #3
I'm just calling calls and strikes, as they say.... unblock Apr 2025 #4
Absolutely, I am EnergizedLib Apr 2025 #5
All pension funds snowybirdie Apr 2025 #6
No. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2025 #7
I was.hoping to retire next year, so no Danmel Apr 2025 #8
I'm not in favor of it, but I'm expecting it Torchlight Apr 2025 #9
yeah but mimitabby Apr 2025 #10
No I'm not rooting against the stock market EdmondDantes_ Apr 2025 #11
No, I don't have that luxury. GoCubsGo Apr 2025 #12
I've went back to work part time when Biden was in office Kaleva Apr 2025 #17
"Why the ever-loving fuck would I root against the stock market?" Xavier Breath Apr 2025 #20
I am never rooting against the market or the American PEOPLE... Moostache Apr 2025 #13
And hopefully on camera bif Apr 2025 #25
No. I'm approaching retirement age. BlueTsunami2018 Apr 2025 #14
I can't afford that. Coventina Apr 2025 #15
Hell Greg_In_SF Apr 2025 #16
Planning to burn down the barn to get rid of rats? Duncan Grant Apr 2025 #18
It doesn't matter how we feel. yardwork Apr 2025 #19
If you're rooting for other Americans to get hurt cuz... politics. WarGamer Apr 2025 #21
I am rooting for the stock market to behave rationally WSHazel Apr 2025 #22
The stock market isn't the economy Johnny2X2X Apr 2025 #23
Absolutely not! bif Apr 2025 #24
No, why would i root to lose money? dem4decades Apr 2025 #26
lol no k_buddy762 Apr 2025 #27
stock market pamdb Apr 2025 #28
Absolutely! Brainstormy Apr 2025 #29
Hell no that's ridiculous and weird!! MenloParque Apr 2025 #30
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