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Poll_Blind

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Wed Dec 19, 2012, 12:15 AM Dec 2012

Esquire: The Grand Sellout Emerges [View all]

MODS: There are many articles referenced and subreferenced in this OP. All linked, sourced and excerpted per usual DU rules.

Before the Esquire article, you should understand why people are talking about Chained CPI, today:

[div class="excerpt" style="border: 1px solid #bfbfbf; border-bottom: none; border-radius: 0.3846em 0.3846em 0em 0em; box-shadow: 2px 2px 6px #bfbfbf;"]The Hill: Pelosi and Hoyer keeping an open mind to cuts to entitlement programs[div class="excerpt" style="border: 1px solid #bfbfbf; border-top: none; border-radius: 0em 0em 0.3846em 0.3846em; background-color: #f4f4f4; box-shadow: 2px 2px 6px #bfbfbf;"]Emerging from a Democratic Caucus meeting Tuesday morning — where they were briefed on Obama’s plan by top White House adviser Rob Nabors — the Democrats pushed back hard against the president’s proposal to reduce future cost-of-living raises for Social Security recipients.

The change — known as the chained consumer price index (CPI) — is said to cut $130 billion in federal spending over a decade, and would include safeguards to protect the most vulnerable seniors.

“I don’t like it at all,” said Rep. James McGovern (D-Mass.).

“A terrible idea,” said Rep. and Sen.-elect Chris Murphy (D-Conn.).

“We don’t like the chained CPI,” said Rep. Gerry Connolly (D-Va.).

“We don’t like it,” said Rep. John Garamendi (D-Calif.). “Why are you hurting the vulnerable seniors?”
And so on and so on- worth reading that article too. There are a lot of Democrats who hate this. Can anyone blame them?


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[div class="excerpt" style="border: 1px solid #bfbfbf; border-bottom: none; border-radius: 0.3846em 0.3846em 0em 0em; box-shadow: 2px 2px 6px #bfbfbf;"]Esquire: The Grand Sellout Emerges[div class="excerpt" style="border: 1px solid #bfbfbf; border-top: none; border-radius: 0em 0em 0.3846em 0.3846em; background-color: #f4f4f4; box-shadow: 2px 2px 6px #bfbfbf;"]I generally believe Ezra Klein when he talks about how everyone who matters is coming together to make a deal, so may I just congratulate all the important people on both sides of the aisle who have come together in semi-good faith to ram it to the rest of us. Really, kids, if this isn't really just a trial balloon big enough for the Macy's parade, well done.

On the spending side, the Democrats' headline concession will be accepting chained-CPI, which is to say, accepting a cut to Social Security benefits. Beyond that, the negotiators will agree to targets for spending cuts. Expect the final number here, too, to be in the neighborhood of $1 trillion, but also expect it to lack many specifics. Whether the cuts come from Medicare or Medicaid, whether they include raising the Medicare age, and many of the other contentious issues in the talks will be left up to Congress.


So here's where we sit. The Democrats, led by the president, who never is going to need to depend on Social Security, are prepared to concede on an issue that has absolutely nothing to do with the deficit. They are going to make life harder for millions of seniors. Social Security is now squarely "on the table" in any future budget negotiation. (Hey, who unplugged the third rail?) The simplest solution — raising the cap — is beyond discussion, now and forever. The "chained-CPI," which is a terrible idea on its own merits, as well as a piece of noxious moral sleight-of-hand, seeing as how it cuts benefits while pretending not to do so, is being adopted whole hog without a corresponding mechanism to raise more Social Security revenue to make up for the loss. If the president maintains his faith in the great god SimpsonBowles, the old folks will get a bump for only two years after the deal takes effect. Swell.

There are a couple of lines of thought here. For example, Paul Krugman is more optimistic.
Those cuts are a very bad thing, although there will supposedly be some protection for low-income seniors. But the cuts are not nearly as bad as raising the Medicare age, for two reasons: the structure of the program remains intact, and unlike the Medicare age thing, they wouldn't be totally devastating for hundreds of thousands of people, just somewhat painful for a much larger group. Oh, and raising the Medicare age would kill people; this benefit cut, not so much.


"Not so much"? That's what we get for a deal in which the president is simultaneously not even getting everything that he wants as regards the expiration of the Bush tax cuts. Granny needs to lose some weight anyway.

Quite honestly, the president's willingness to tinker this way with Social Security marks his presidency in a way that nothing else ever will. There is no economic need to do this to Social Security at all. There is no need for the program even to come up in the discussions. This locks Social Security forever into being defined for all political purposes as an "entitlement," and we all know that "entitlements" need to be reformed because everybody this president considers his primary constituencies say they must. It sets the stage for more concessions down the line by any Democratic president who doesn't possess the political momentum that the current president seems hellbent on squandering. This is that most horrible of Beltway concoctions — a deal for a deal's sake, a demonstration for the courtier press that Washington "works." (Chris Matthews last night said that he wanted a cliff-avoiding deal so that "Washington" could prove it can work again. He framed it around the events in Connecticut and gn control. These people think ... strangely.) If John Boehner brings home this deal, his caucus should name him emperor. If that caucus turns him down, they all should be placed in a locked ward for the duration of the president's second term. Meanwhile, David Gregory just had an orgasm you could hear on Mars.

More at the link! What a great position this puts Democrats in...for the Republicans!

To wit:
[div class="excerpt" style="border: 1px solid #bfbfbf; border-bottom: none; border-radius: 0.3846em 0.3846em 0em 0em; box-shadow: 2px 2px 6px #bfbfbf;"]Dems Dodge Questions on Spending Cuts[div class="excerpt" style="border: 1px solid #bfbfbf; border-top: none; border-radius: 0em 0em 0.3846em 0.3846em; background-color: #f4f4f4; box-shadow: 2px 2px 6px #bfbfbf;"]President Obama’s latest fiscal cliff offer to support deeper spending cuts to popular government programs puts his Democratic allies on Capitol Hill in a tough spot on Tuesday, driving them to dodge questions about whether they could support it.

Obama’s plan calls for $1.2 trillion in spending cuts that include changes like slowing the cost-of-living increases for Social Security beneficiaries – a reform Senate Democrats declared off the table weeks ago.

So now, Obama’s proposal puts Democrats in a bit of a political pickle.

Democrats can’t embrace Obama’s plan for fear of getting hammered by liberal interest groups and giving Republican House Speaker John Boehner room to push for further entitlement cuts.

Conversely, Democrats can’t threaten to scuttle a deal if the cuts are included because it could undermine Obama’s negotiating position. And while Democrats are likely to support the cuts as part of a larger fiscal cliff package, they can’t say so now.

So, they’re not saying much of anything.


Apparently it's just a bridge too far to ask the President to stop putting Democrats in the position of either supporting shitty legislation or openly rebuking him. Why does this situation, any of the insanity you've read above, even have to happen?

[font size="6"]JUST GO OVER THE FUCKING CLIFF[/font]

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Esquire: The Grand Sellout Emerges [View all] Poll_Blind Dec 2012 OP
This isn't actually happening. MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #1
I have the Third Way set as my home page and my isolation hood ready should the lies continue: Poll_Blind Dec 2012 #2
That is the perfect illustration. MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #30
It's a two-fer that isn't happening Fumesucker Dec 2012 #4
I refer you to THE PLAN: jsr Dec 2012 #22
La-la-la-not-listening-la-la-la MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #29
Maybe in four years, we can vote in some Liberals. You know, Democrats. Octafish Dec 2012 #3
In an interview, my house rep recounted how a Democratic constituent had... Poll_Blind Dec 2012 #9
His arrival on the national scene eclipsed John the Cheater. Octafish Dec 2012 #21
Oh, and it still could be worse than the warmongers getting away with treason... Poll_Blind Dec 2012 #23
Oh, what the heck. Integrity is for paupers. Octafish Dec 2012 #34
Bookmarked for later WilliamPitt Dec 2012 #5
You have to give up something to get something, don't like it take the House back krawhitham Dec 2012 #6
"take the House back"? How? By repeating what was done in '93 to get results similar to '94? AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #7
Gerrymandering doesn't exactly make that easy BuelahWitch Dec 2012 #8
doesn't wash anymore. actually, i think we should shut down congress for a big money saver. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #20
Fine, give up something that won't HURT PEOPLE.. SomethingFishy Dec 2012 #44
He already gave up 2 years of top-heavy tax cuts Doctor_J Dec 2012 #45
did the media call boehner a sellout when he agreed to tax raises? spanone Dec 2012 #10
Cut the bloated, lardass, corrupt, defense dept. JEB Dec 2012 #11
Nobody's talking about it but the Repukes and some Dems are... Poll_Blind Dec 2012 #31
I'm for going off the cliff. JEB Dec 2012 #32
Me too Liberalynn Dec 2012 #43
Christ Almighty, yes, just go over the fucking cliff... WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2012 #12
DURec leftstreet Dec 2012 #13
If Strengthening Social Security 1ProudAtheist Dec 2012 #14
That or raise the cap 99th_Monkey Dec 2012 #19
Can you PM me the text of your post? I am very interested in how you excerpted everything... Agschmid Dec 2012 #15
Done! If that doesn't help, see HERE: Poll_Blind Dec 2012 #16
Why shdn't we openly rebuke him?? Why not strengthen his hand for holding out for what WE want?? snot Dec 2012 #17
Actually, WE as constituents can do anything we want. It's Democratic congressional... Poll_Blind Dec 2012 #24
Chained CPI is extremely dishonest on the part of the President. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #18
+1 Poll_Blind Dec 2012 #28
It's beyond femrap Dec 2012 #39
He's a coward Doctor_J Dec 2012 #41
Recommend...Thanks for pulling it together so nicely. n/t KoKo Dec 2012 #25
K&R (n/t) WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2012 #26
Oh No! Oh No! There are serious people here who are saying we are panicky and byeya Dec 2012 #27
Sell out is right. arjazz Dec 2012 #33
Embrace and become one with the cliff!! Autumn Dec 2012 #35
Embrace and become one with the cliff!! CrispyQ Dec 2012 #36
It's beginning to feel a lot like . . . CrispyQ Dec 2012 #37
And they're gunnin' for a 10 year deal, so the goodness goes till at least 2022. Poll_Blind Dec 2012 #38
Isn't this interesting Doctor_J Dec 2012 #40
Indeed! And at the link in that particular story there are even more listed. nt Poll_Blind Dec 2012 #46
They shouldn't care how it makes anyone look Liberalynn Dec 2012 #42
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