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142. He said he had no intention of cutting it

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 05:41 AM

Dec 2012

I can't know if any kind of brutal reality might have made him change his mind in the meantime, but it was certainly not what he planned and he definitely didn't avoid the subject. I doubt that he had anything else in mind in July, but then I doubt FDR had planned to fight a four year two front war in July, 1941, either. He also said he has no problem with the so-called "cliff" if Bonehead and his party won't come off their position.

He was pretty sure a majority of the voters would have his back, and the polls seem to back him up. After all, it's a no-brainer to have some House Democrat re-introduce a bill to re-instate the lower tax levels for people earning under $250K. What Republican is gonna vote against that, and still dare to show his face in his district again?

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Looks like Obama's on the cusp of fulfilling his dream [View all] MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 OP

ben dover and spread em is not a negotiating strategy for most people nt msongs Dec 2012 #1

Obama is a weakling leftstreet Dec 2012 #2

No, you're the one who has managed to "fail". As much as we have all stated repeatedly that... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #14

Here it is from Jay Carney's mouth: cui bono Dec 2012 #172

Newsflash: Jay Carney's not the President.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #212

That really doesn't warrant a response, but... cui bono Dec 2012 #221

That REALLY doesn't warrant a response. Try again. nt. OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #224

what about promises like Terra Alta Dec 2012 #98

+1 CheapShotArtist Dec 2012 #180

For almost all those promises kept, there's been another problem created. leveymg Dec 2012 #183

Don't get what you're saying about Syria and Libya brush Dec 2012 #198

Tens of thousands of human lives have no importance to you, other than American boots? leveymg Dec 2012 #202

Still don't get what you're saying brush Dec 2012 #217

Here's the white house phone info if you want to call: mucifer Dec 2012 #3

I have tried to call all day. Got busy signal all day. MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #12

That's because, once again, the MSM has managed to stir the pot and create stuff out of thin air. nt OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #31

Such as? MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #68

If you have to ask then you'll just have to find out on your own. nt. OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #120

I just did, watching the President on TV pscot Dec 2012 #154

And the President said what, exactly? Do you have a direct quote.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #211

Because you know, but it's a secret? closeupready Dec 2012 #156

It never hurts to call / write though Scootaloo Dec 2012 #175

+100 HiPointDem Dec 2012 #140

"fulfilling his dream"? darkangel218 Dec 2012 #4

Some folks believe that Obama began aggressively going after Social Security MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #5

Thats crazy, Obama never once said he wants to cut down social security benefits. darkangel218 Dec 2012 #8

For example, check out his Clintonian language on SS MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #15

Link it and quote the offending passage please. nt. OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #23

Here you go: cui bono Dec 2012 #166

the person you're responding to Ineeda Dec 2012 #26

I watch what he *does*. I don't care what he *says*. Marr Dec 2012 #37

Even those defending him slip up in the terms they use truedelphi Dec 2012 #87

Political chess is about thinking n-number of moves ahead, not sacrificing "pawns". tridim Dec 2012 #179

Really? Chess is chess, and most people I know truedelphi Dec 2012 #189

When $$$$$ is involved, A=B in USA, Incorporated! $$$$$ 1st, people last. n/t RKP5637 Dec 2012 #102

Those who are 85 femrap Dec 2012 #163

Yeah, it torques me. We voted not to have this happen, but then what was the alternative. I do RKP5637 Dec 2012 #174

Yes, I think about that. Michigan Alum Dec 2012 #200

Does this femrap Dec 2012 #203

Some days I think that's a good solution, "Maybe I need some nog!" I was just RKP5637 Dec 2012 #206

Sometimes I get these femrap Dec 2012 #216

Appointing Bowles and Simpson to lead the most important... JackRiddler Dec 2012 #130

It does beg the question then LanternWaste Dec 2012 #70

Maybe since 2009 PETRUS Dec 2012 #96

THAT was the interview that made my head explode MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #105

2009 seems to be the year Oilwellian Dec 2012 #219

Obama and the Hamiltonian Democrats: "This is not a bloodless process." woo me with science Dec 2012 #111

That quote is in the video I just posted above your post n/t Oilwellian Dec 2012 #220

Only Nixon could go to China. Only Obama can "reform" the New Deal. jsr Dec 2012 #6

You're full of shit, Manny. And that's the truth. MjolnirTime Dec 2012 #7

+10,000!! I personally think he took a left turn when he meant to take a right turn. nt. OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #9

Concise and to the point. Summer Hathaway Dec 2012 #20

If Manny was agreeing with what was happenin and praising Obama I'd be surprised otherwise BAU uponit7771 Dec 2012 #24

Time will tell. It does seem odd that S.S. keeps coming up. leeroysphitz Dec 2012 #110

Then why is this the first presidency where SS is on the table? cui bono Dec 2012 #167

Yep! To hell with 'sacred cows' Michigan Alum Dec 2012 #199

Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory! Par-TAY!!!! Cat food's on me! MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #10

I know this is a serious subject, but........ ReRe Dec 2012 #53

Thanks... sometimes you gotta laugh because you can't cry all the time. MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #84

Exactly ReRe Dec 2012 #124

what a repulsive post. Whisp Dec 2012 #11

It's not his only dream MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #13

you have no evidence of jack squat shit of anything Whisp Dec 2012 #17

Does this count? MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #22

"Terrifically funny", because that's Jay Carney speaking more than a year ago.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #28

Can you remind me of Carney's title again? MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #30

You seem to have forgotten a lot of things.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #34

Oh, now I remember: Presidential Spokesperson MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #38

Link it and quote it. nt. OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #40

This seems to be an issue with you. blackspade Dec 2012 #162

It�s slash. (Laughter.) And I don�t mean the guitarist. (Laughter.) progressoid Dec 2012 #134

But it is not the type of thing he campaigned on. truedelphi Dec 2012 #91

Haven't you heard? He's a stealth Republican who ran as a Democrat democrattotheend Dec 2012 #55

Because they're impatient. cui bono Dec 2012 #168

What resume? Beacool Dec 2012 #118

now why did I know you'd be salivating at an OP like this. Whisp Dec 2012 #119

Recuperating. Beacool Dec 2012 #121

He out spelunks even the master spelunkers. Whisp Dec 2012 #123

No, he doesn't. Beacool Dec 2012 #127

And two terms in the WH. CakeGrrl Dec 2012 #133

Now, not back then. Beacool Dec 2012 #138

Poor Manny. cliffordu Dec 2012 #16

is it though? fascisthunter Dec 2012 #39

What if the trial balloon originated on the right and the MSM reported it as coming from the left?.. OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #43

so what... what bad will come of this? fascisthunter Dec 2012 #46

Whoooooshhh! That's the sound of my post going over your head at 50,000 feet. nt. OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #48

that's you avoiding my question fascisthunter Dec 2012 #49

Couldn't answer your question, such that it was, because it completely missed the point of my post.. OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #60

why are you avoiding my question? fascisthunter Dec 2012 #62

guess what, it was the white house that leaked the details. what do you say now? HiPointDem Dec 2012 #143

As the Joker says: cliffordu Dec 2012 #47

yeah, but the Joker is fictional... my SS isn't fascisthunter Dec 2012 #50

I disagree. MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #56

Funny how we REAL folks grovel for the least fascisthunter Dec 2012 #58

+1 leeroysphitz Dec 2012 #112

How do you suppose the RW got Jay Carney to float this balloon for them? n/t hughee99 Dec 2012 #227

This isn't rumor. The White House leaked this democrattotheend Dec 2012 #57

interesting, thank you for that fascisthunter Dec 2012 #63

My take in reading the article that you are quoting is truedelphi Dec 2012 #88

For two years you've been telling us 22%, Manny... SidDithers Dec 2012 #18

I've been saying that Obama's committee recommended a 22% cut MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #19

"Obama's committee"?? Hmmm. Got a link? Got a direct quote from the President? nt. OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #29

It's public record MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #33

Link it and quote it. nt. OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #36

I'm not your servant. MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #41

You made the accusation, so you post the link and the exact quote... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #45

Do you know about a site called "Google"? MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #52

Do you know the definition of the word "credibility"? Use Google and look it up. nt. OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #59

That ship has sailed. nt Bobbie Jo Dec 2012 #54

No shit. cliffordu Dec 2012 #71

Boom goes the dynamite cliffordu Dec 2012 #61

manny trollstein is on a roll.. dionysus Dec 2012 #65

I guess that's what secret muslim terrorists do. mzmolly Dec 2012 #21

thats enough of Manny demwing Dec 2012 #25

wow lillypaddle Dec 2012 #27

He asked Santa for that every year when he was a kid wryter2000 Dec 2012 #32

hahaha...lol fascisthunter Dec 2012 #35

I hope universal care for EVERYONE comes with this price tag. nt valerief Dec 2012 #42

Nah... Medicare's probably getting cut too MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #44

I have gotten regular AARP updates, information, pre-written email to "click here", text messages libdem4life Dec 2012 #51

manny, you have an unheathy obsession. dionysus Dec 2012 #64

I think Social Security is pretty important MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #80

you've made bullshit ploclamations for years dionysus Dec 2012 #82

Please point to one. Let's have a look. MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #86

go on and show them. you're full of shit. nt dionysus Dec 2012 #94

While I don't think it is going to happen... NCTraveler Dec 2012 #66

Don't worry Manny, it's only a "technical change". neverforget Dec 2012 #67

Thank you for posting that. I was just going to google it to post it. jillan Dec 2012 #73

"tough choices" that conveniently never touch the people making them. Matariki Dec 2012 #85

I think those "tough choices" do impact the lives of those who truedelphi Dec 2012 #92

bankrupt when he left office? cite? HiPointDem Dec 2012 #141

Common knowledge, discussed quite a bit in the press back in the day. truedelphi Dec 2012 #144

that doesn't say he was bankrupt. and 'didn't have any money' to clinton could actually mean HiPointDem Dec 2012 #145

It was discussed in the press. Including the Telegraph, the Washinton Post and other places. The truedelphi Dec 2012 #146

i don't see anything that says he was bankrupt. i'm not debating that he signed those bills, i just HiPointDem Dec 2012 #147

Like Clinton himelf would say - it depends on what your definition of "bankrupt" is. truedelphi Dec 2012 #190

"technical adjustment ... and it is one sought by Republicans." WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2012 #125

Wow. So first Carney says the President didn't propose it, that it was a Republican cui bono Dec 2012 #170

Pretty sweet deal huh? These "technical adjustments" affect people's lives neverforget Dec 2012 #173

Well, at least the president did approve of letting stem cell research go truedelphi Dec 2012 #209

I am getting real tired of this tough choices for everyone shit Angry Dragon Dec 2012 #207

Yeah, Manny. bvar22 Dec 2012 #69

plus 1000 sendero Dec 2012 #89

Thanks for that. You will know them by their WORKS, not by their rhetoric, promises, or excuses. In Truth We Trust Dec 2012 #93

... woo me with science Dec 2012 #165

+1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 cui bono Dec 2012 #171

Indeed. Words mean nothing; actions mean everything. This is where Mr Obama sends Nay Dec 2012 #176

Good points. MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #193

Now is not the time to point fingers..... Hotler Dec 2012 #72

If it makes any difference DFW Dec 2012 #74

Then why appoint Simpson and Bowles to lead a commission MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #75

Did he say that he WOULDN'T cut SS? Doctor_J Dec 2012 #101

He said he had no intention of cutting it DFW Dec 2012 #142

Did he say ANYTHING about "Raising-the-Cap"? bvar22 Dec 2012 #155

I didn't ask about that DFW Dec 2012 #231

YOU are a fool to believe this...a fool ELI BOY 1950 Dec 2012 #76

I signed the petition. Funny how so many posters who claim President Obama won't forestpath Dec 2012 #77

Well said! nt Chef Eric Dec 2012 #161

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Whereas you are DU's version of Jim Cramer pitching Bear Stearns? JackRiddler Dec 2012 #129

Touche' bvar22 Dec 2012 #169

I don't think the cheerleaders here are going to believe it a2liberal Dec 2012 #79

Not even then Doctor_J Dec 2012 #103

They will pull out the same old litany of excuses: bvar22 Dec 2012 #178

+1 Liberalynn Dec 2012 #197

And I have every right to call him "Spelunker In Chief" until he realizes.... MrMickeysMom Dec 2012 #81

K & R !!! WillyT Dec 2012 #83

Total bullshit! Neon2012 Dec 2012 #90

Actually, no. Google "chained CPI" nt MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #99

Nothing wrong with more contemporary standards. Neon2012 Dec 2012 #107

That is what you said about the Commodity Futures Modernization Act signed by Pres Clinton Agony Dec 2012 #108

Is that what the kids are calling it these days? MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #109

Ah so Granny is an "inefficiency" durablend Dec 2012 #196

Yay, Obummer is finally letting his long-stifled cat food-feeding flag fly! CakeGrrl Dec 2012 #97

Obummer? democrattotheend Dec 2012 #115

The answer is "B" CakeGrrl Dec 2012 #132

Obama just sent 30,000 troops back into Iraq.. we are NEVER leaving.. lib2DaBone Dec 2012 #100

30,000 back to Iraq? Do you have a source for that? democrattotheend Dec 2012 #114

Who in the hell folds on a winning hand?! HoosierRadical Dec 2012 #104

That depends on what game he's playing, and against whom. JackRiddler Dec 2012 #185

Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #106

Can you be specific as to my lie? MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #116

Do you have any comprehension of the reference you make woo me with science Dec 2012 #117

+1 million!!! Pisces Dec 2012 #122

Obama and the Hamiltonian Democrats: "This is not a bloodless process." woo me with science Dec 2012 #113

i yhink you dont understand negociating. veganlush Dec 2012 #126

What a crock! Coyotl Dec 2012 #128

Signed. MrSlayer Dec 2012 #131

We absolutely need a workers' party. kath Dec 2012 #135

Has Axlerod told Obama he WON THE ELECTION? 99th_Monkey Dec 2012 #136

Yes, and now he's enacting his Republican agenda Doctor_J Dec 2012 #149

BIngo! n/t truedelphi Dec 2012 #208

the FICA tax cut was a step toward dismantling Social Security....it's being dismantled bit by bit; amborin Dec 2012 #137

Eventually you will come to see Individual Cat Food Savings Accounts as Salvation kenny blankenship Dec 2012 #184

yes, the incrementalism is everywhere and very dangerous and insidious amborin Dec 2012 #191

This message was self-deleted by its author DakotaLady Dec 2012 #139

Kicking for those who missed the Carney/White House statement. (n/t) WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2012 #148

Signed and shared on Facebook. UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2012 #150

When are you going to blame Republicans? treestar Dec 2012 #151

Should Lincoln have fired his losing generals? MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #152

Our leaders include the Republican house treestar Dec 2012 #186

Obama needs to fight. And win. MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #192

It does not work that way treestar Dec 2012 #223

You are smoking something. MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #225

I can't blame a DOG for being a DOG. bvar22 Dec 2012 #157

Well then why don't you blame Republicans treestar Dec 2012 #187

This morning you were ranting that this was not true, calling DU liars... Bluenorthwest Dec 2012 #158

The people to blame are Republicans treestar Dec 2012 #188

The president proposed cuts. I will blame both Doctor_J Dec 2012 #214

Not that simple treestar Dec 2012 #222

you're funny MNBrewer Dec 2012 #228

Of course he is doing it to avoid the cliff treestar Dec 2012 #232

Signed and shared Gin Dec 2012 #153

K & R AzDar Dec 2012 #159

Thanks Manny. I'm signer #2,399. nt Chef Eric Dec 2012 #160

Thanks! nt MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #164

Signed it! CanonRay Dec 2012 #177

He's been to the mountaintop. kenny blankenship Dec 2012 #181

Signer 2471. hay rick Dec 2012 #182

K&R! blackspade Dec 2012 #194

I've tried to sign several petitions on this issue WhoIsNumberNone Dec 2012 #195

This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Dec 2012 #201

Actually he recently said he's a Republican Doctor_J Dec 2012 #213

and he's certainly NOT a Socialist. MNBrewer Dec 2012 #229

Austerity Now! Austerity Forever! blkmusclmachine Dec 2012 #204

LOL MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #205

Any other non-vindictive person would have stopped at false prediction number 10. great white snark Dec 2012 #210

Yup! nt Poll_Blind Dec 2012 #215

k&r to sign petition nt steve2470 Dec 2012 #218

What makes you think that "Obama's Dream" is to cut SS? catbyte Dec 2012 #226

Because there are no cuts needed, and yet he has offered to make them Doctor_J Dec 2012 #230