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renie408

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Wed Dec 19, 2012, 01:27 PM Dec 2012

Wait...these aren't actual CUTS to SS, they are a reduction in INCREASES... [View all]

Or are they cuts because if increases do not keep pace with inflation, it results in a defacto decrease?

AND...is there NO risk to SS if we go over the cliff? Because while there are no actual provisions for cutting SS in the sequestration, there are cuts to every other damn thing and tax increases for everybody. My mother lives with us. If WE get hit, SHE gets hit. Also, is there not a risk that doctors and other health care professionals could deny care to Medicare patients if Medicare cuts payments?

I am trying to winnow through all the hysteria to figure out what the hell is at stake here. Both sides are running around like chickens with their heads cut off, which makes it hard to figure out what is REALLY going on.

My personal take is that this is a complex issue where we might have the White House, but we definitely are not even close in the House, which means some kind of compromise. Unfortunately, in any compromise, SOMEBODY is going to be pissed. In this case, it looks like EVERYBODY is pissed. If we feel like the chained CPI is something we are not willing to offer as part of the compromise, what is? We are going to have to put something else on the table. What would that be?

I KNOW we could probably solve everything by doing some presto changeo tax deal where everybody over $250K goes back to 39% and we close corporate loopholes. But the House isn't going to allow the solution to be made up solely or even mostly of revenue increases. WE are going to have to have skin in the game. I am just trying to figure out which hunks of skin we can live without in the long run.

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let the seniors carry the load . . . they can obviously afford to take less in future increases DrDan Dec 2012 #1
And the fewer of them that remain, the less it will cost to support the dwindling survivors kenny blankenship Dec 2012 #7
That is SO helpful! renie408 Dec 2012 #11
there is a message there . . . DrDan Dec 2012 #19
Benefits would be lower than under the present formula, so it's a cut. JackRiddler Dec 2012 #2
It's your "or" option: use of a COLA that doesn't keep up with actual costs... JHB Dec 2012 #3
It changes the formula used to calculate the COLA. Lone_Star_Dem Dec 2012 #4
Yeah, that doesn't really sound like the total destruction of renie408 Dec 2012 #10
It adds up over time. Lone_Star_Dem Dec 2012 #15
That makes sense. renie408 Dec 2012 #21
GRAPH HERE: littlemissmartypants Dec 2012 #5
Ok, that looks bad. renie408 Dec 2012 #14
Whatever it is, the criticism is hyperbolic. nt Comrade_McKenzie Dec 2012 #6
Wow, the spin is incredible. RomneyLies Dec 2012 #8
Exactly whose 'spin' are you talking about? renie408 Dec 2012 #9
"the complete destruction of Social Security"... tkmorris Dec 2012 #22
The thing is, that kind of hyperbole (I feel like that word is getting over used, but it applies) renie408 Dec 2012 #23
Trial balloon. Period. nt. OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #12
This year's COLA Glitterati Dec 2012 #13
Hurry up and die Bake Dec 2012 #16
I know Glitterati Dec 2012 #20
I'm going to live into my 90s just to spite them. Blue_In_AK Dec 2012 #18
Are there no ice floes, are there no Soylent factories? n/t Fumesucker Dec 2012 #17
Could it be there are dems who want people to die faster? xchrom Dec 2012 #24
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