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sabrina 1

(62,325 posts) Wed Dec 19, 2012, 01:59 PM Dec 2012

Why is Social Security on the Deficit Discussion 'Table'? SS Had Zero To Do With the Deficit. [View all]

Social Security did not cause the Deficit

The Social Security Fund has a huge surplus and is solvent for the next decade or more even with a bad economy.

It is the Federal Budget that is in trouble NOT the Social Security Fund.

So why is it even part of these discussions?

Why is the discussion not about the actual drivers of the Deficit?

Congress and the WH need to hear from the people, and they ARE, so that they drop this insane idea of trying to make Seniors, the Disabled and Dependent Children pay for the corruption of Wall Street and the MIC.

And why are people claiming that stating facts is deceiving?

Take Social Security OFF the Deficit Discussion Table and we will shut up about it.

But so long as it remains there, you can bet there will be outrage over this attempt to slip cuts to SS past the people once again.

'The Chained CPI is a sneaky way of cutting Social Security'!

'We didn't contribute to the Deficit, we won't pay for it'!

This is what Democrats are telling Congress.

Anyone who votes for a Chained CPI is not a Democrat.

It really is that simple.

Democrats are supposed to protect Social Security.

Jay Carney says 'it's what the Republicans wanted'!! Really? So we give them what they want now??

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Why is Social Security on the Deficit Discussion 'Table'? SS Had Zero To Do With the Deficit. [View all] sabrina 1 Dec 2012 OP

Apparently the President's lips pscot Dec 2012 #1

That cant be right DJ13 Dec 2012 #28

Progressive Dem Community is sending a Clear Message..."Our Deal--Not Yours"... KoKo Dec 2012 #2

As the bank robber said, it's where the money is. reformist2 Dec 2012 #3

Yes, and it's not his money pscot Dec 2012 #38

Bob, what did reformist win!? Uncle Joe Dec 2012 #66

The misdirection Jim Warren Dec 2012 #4

Because self-funded or not, cuts will still mean less borrowing Recursion Dec 2012 #5

This is a sadness that's beyond bearing. ananda Dec 2012 #6

Yes, and what s/he is saying is that when someone borrows money from sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #9

That has nothing to do with the question. The cuts should come from the Fed Budget sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #7

Huh? Recursion Dec 2012 #8

And I'm telling you that it is not. sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #10

Businesses hate paying their half of Social Security - "it's that simple". xtraxritical Dec 2012 #40

it's a tax deduction for them. so not that simple. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #60

Agreed. madfloridian Dec 2012 #13

exactly. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #59

Because SS is the largest holder of our national debt Rex Dec 2012 #11

No, I think T-bills held by investors should take a 10% cut before touching Social Security on point Dec 2012 #65

The immature little brats keep whining so we have to give them all the cookies No Compromise Dec 2012 #12

I know, that was the lamest excuse I have heard yet. 'The Republicans wanted sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #15

The Dems are great at saying "no" Fumesucker Dec 2012 #19

Please edit to remove "retarded". nt FLyellowdog Dec 2012 #39

That is a quote from Rahm Emanuel. That is what he called the ideas sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #46

I didn't see the edit. Thanks for the clarification. nt FLyellowdog Dec 2012 #55

Neo-liberal ideology. n/t duffyduff Dec 2012 #14

Well, it's there now. Chained CPI was the starting point when putting it on the table RomneyLies Dec 2012 #16

Republicans put it on the table. Dems have to respond in a positive way during negotiations librechik Dec 2012 #17

Yeap, just like they didn't in 09...and reThugs lied about their involvement and they lost big uponit7771 Dec 2012 #20

I wish they would act like vicious leapoards defending their young librechik Dec 2012 #21

"Have to"? Why? Couldn't they just politely say "No"? Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2012 #22

Washington is a weird place. They have their own culture there librechik Dec 2012 #23

No, they don't have their own culture. They are hired help. Bluenorthwest Dec 2012 #29

Great post. recd. nt raccoon Dec 2012 #18

Thanks for the excellent post. JEB Dec 2012 #24

The money changers see a pool of money they haven't been able to steal. Yet! retread Dec 2012 #25

And The Goddamned President *knows* this...said so during one of the debates, I believe. AzDar Dec 2012 #26

Let's make this into an SAT question! KansDem Dec 2012 #27

lol Little Star Dec 2012 #30

That is excellent! sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #44

Perfect! LOL nt Mojorabbit Dec 2012 #45

"Social Security is not currently a driver of the deficit. That's an economic fact." ProSense Dec 2012 #31

So he said that in late November and then he admitted that SS was on the table sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #47

Carlin tried to warn us. raouldukelives Dec 2012 #32

As another poster said, Cleita Dec 2012 #33

I will K&R every post that repeats this. (PS - SS is solvent for the next 22 years... ) grahamhgreen Dec 2012 #34

I'm glad I didn't send him any money or spend time on his campaign. CrispyQ Dec 2012 #35

Spot on. jsr Dec 2012 #36

I think the republicans since St. Reagan have been borrowing/raiding from the SS Trust Fund kimbutgar Dec 2012 #37

It is political cover nineteen50 Dec 2012 #41

Yes, and the question is why should Democrats use SS, offer something sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #76

K&R CPI is a term Bernie Sanders said most people don't understand. midnight Dec 2012 #42

That's why they are using it. It is a stealth attack on SS Benefits. sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #63

They will keep screwing with us until we get more progressives in Congress and the WH. nm rhett o rick Dec 2012 #43

The problem is that we rarely get any progressive candidates to vote for. We get the same Nay Dec 2012 #53

Because Rs want to punish all the people who voted for Obama? Coyotl Dec 2012 #48

Let's just say they were off the table reggaehead Dec 2012 #49

Rec. nt. Mc Mike Dec 2012 #50

I've emailed my elected Congress people Dyedinthewoolliberal Dec 2012 #51

This should be an OP. This is a clear statement from Maria Cantwell which is encouraging. Now we sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #58

The SSI fix is easy. Tax all income the same, regardless of source and RAISE THE CAP on point Dec 2012 #52

Exactly ... sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #56

ss = social security. ssi = supplemental security income, not funded from ss taxes. ssi is a HiPointDem Dec 2012 #61

Because President Obama needs convenient scapegoats who can't fight back. forestpath Dec 2012 #54

Here is a photo that illustrates the principle behind SS cuts. retread Dec 2012 #57

Because the banksters and wall streeters who really want to steal the SS monies Fire Walk With Me Dec 2012 #62

Yes, that is exactly what it would be, theft. They've already borrowed sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #74

Not only is the irrational for the reasons you point out... MrMickeysMom Dec 2012 #64

That is a good point: 'its illegal to use SS to balance the general fund.' sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #67

Majorly depressed after that link, sabrina... MrMickeysMom Dec 2012 #68

How sad. And seeing how people are more than willing to pretend they are sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #72

Funny how many friends the Republicans have all of a sudden the election's over. Octafish Dec 2012 #69

Yes, but shhhhh! Obama never put SS on the Deficit table, you imagined it. sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #70

Here's what should be on the table -- the ones who took it. Octafish Dec 2012 #71

Amazing, isn't it? Outright fraud and deception not only is not ON the table sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #73

Thank you for saying this, Sabrina magellan Dec 2012 #75

kick woo me with science Dec 2012 #77