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Metaphorical

(2,664 posts)
5. Yes, agism is a thing
Sun May 11, 2025, 08:47 PM
May 2025

I'm sixty-three, in tech, and a long-term consultant. I noticed when I turned 55 that the jobs started to dry up - I was too old, too expensive, and in general too savvy to put up with the BS. I made a conscious decision that year that I would transition over to consulting and writing exclusively and started my own company. It wasn't what I wanted to do, it was just the recognition that in this day and age, people hire on the basis of whoever is cheapest, then when the s**t hits the fan, they will suddenly pay top dollar for consulting, then will try to nickle and dime EVERY single transaction. This usually means that I'm working with four or five clients at a time, because they see consultants as being a lot like plumbers - critical when there's six inches of water on your kitchen floor, but the moment that final wrench is turned, you want them out of the house as fast as possible.

There's an interesting point about the "social contract". It used to be that most work was done when it was needed, and people charged accordingly for their services, because they had to charge to support themselves between the times that clients needed their goods or service. Salaries came about during the industrial revolution, and it was an agreement (principally with managers and sales people) that they would pay a lower wage if that wage was steady for a known number of hours a week. For a while this was a great bargain, because there was usually enough work needed done during the day that salaries made sense, and it kept your best people from going to work for your competitor.. With modern automation, that relationship started to break down - you didn't need as many people around all the time, and contingent labor began to creep back into the corporation. Hours got cut, wages eroded away in the stream of inflation, and for a while companies continued to keep per hour payment low, while trying to simultaneously not have to deal with health care, retirement funding, or even cost accounting for taxes.

However, what's beginning to happen is that as more companies do this, the (laid-off) independent consultant experts who used to be full time employees are raising their rates again, because they no longer have the guarantee of income. The CodeGen and GenAI are turning into fiascos is only adding fuel to the fire - companies are paying consultant rates to their former employees because they AI crap that they produced thinking they'd get away with not having to pay for expertise is now falling apart.


Teaching is an important and worthwhile job. Irish_Dem May 2025 #1
Thanks. Xolodno May 2025 #3
Sounds perfect for you and the school system. Irish_Dem May 2025 #6
Many years ago I took a position as a receptionist which was fine; however I was given many jobs that were intended for SheilaAnn May 2025 #2
Sorry you're going ghrough this. SheltieLover May 2025 #4
Yes, agism is a thing Metaphorical May 2025 #5
This is why capitalism is a FAILURE for the common man Stargazer99 May 2025 #14
I absolutely agree Upthevibe May 2025 #34
Our interests were never part of the capitalistic plan past our ability to be exploited by a corporation. marble falls May 2025 #45
I managed to stay employed to just 4 months shy of 68 infullview May 2025 #16
I am very lucky drmeow May 2025 #7
I got out at 62 LilElf70 May 2025 #8
A friend got a job teaching at 60 KT2000 May 2025 #9
Ahhh, the over 50 and try and get hired somewhere syndrome. Liberal In Texas May 2025 #10
I hear you. An opportunity will appear. Joinfortmill May 2025 #11
Boy, you've got that right! hamsterjill May 2025 #12
Time flies. I was the youngest person in my first 2 real jobs JanMichael May 2025 #13
Why in the hell are we forced to put up with this corp crap? Stargazer99 May 2025 #15
When I turned 60, I went from contract worker to the Federal Government. haele May 2025 #17
This is a fascinating thread for me DFW May 2025 #18
Surprised that Esperanto isn't a requirement. JanMichael May 2025 #19
There aren't a lot of governments that request conferences/negotiations to be held in Esperanto DFW May 2025 #20
Nor in Klingon I hope. JanMichael May 2025 #21
There doesn't seem to be a lot of middle ground DFW May 2025 #26
"Men in my family tend not to live beyond 80" -- both my grandfathers died at 65, my father at 84. eppur_se_muova May 2025 #23
Thanks for the recommendation DFW May 2025 #24
My son speaks French, Spanish, has some eaxposure to italian,... NNadir May 2025 #32
Europe's weather has been totally crazy the last few years. DFW May 2025 #33
I didn't dream of him going to Karlsruhe for the night life. At one time, it was a great center for nuclear... NNadir May 2025 #41
Could hardly do worse than France, imo nilram May 2025 #37
I agree. I worked for about 8 years for a French company, and had to go there often. NNadir May 2025 #39
I got the ageist become a mentor distinguished fellow brush-off a few years ago... Hugin May 2025 #22
I've tried... sweetapogee May 2025 #25
Academia oberle May 2025 #27
Accused of murder? That's pretty extreme. Iris May 2025 #29
That is the wisest thing you could ever do. OldBaldy1701E May 2025 #28
Regarding cutting resume in half Iris May 2025 #30
Yeah, ageism is real Cloudburst May 2025 #31
Im not sure what your background is Upthevibe May 2025 #35
Schools here in Marble Falls will hire substitute teachers without a degree. It provides ... marble falls May 2025 #44
I retired from a liberal nonprofit at 67 as a major gifts officer. I could do it since I had just inherited some money CTyankee May 2025 #36
Ageism most assuredly is real lonely bird May 2025 #38
I lost my job at the age of 59 at the end of 2020, in the midst of the COVID pandemic . . . markpkessinger May 2025 #40
Ageism may be illegal, but good luck on proving it. SupportSanity May 2025 #42
Ageism is real and it is here on DU, too. I get so sick of the generalizations based on age. marble falls May 2025 #43
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