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napoleon_in_rags

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44. No, you're totally right.
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 07:30 PM
Dec 2012

"forcing them to do something against their will never seem to work long-term in my experience."

The number one driving all people lash out (esp. mentally ill) is the feeling of being unheard, the feeling of being totally powerless. That's why the deal, the trade is so important.

Its bizarre when you first see this work. I remember seeing a situation on video where a mentally ill guy was waving a knife, police were standing back with guns drawn. (really a seemingly rational response) but then a little female cop with mental health training walked up with no gun, smiled, and made a deal with him to hand over the knife, for something like a cookie. The guy felt empowered because he had the power to make or not make a deal, gave her the knife and took the cookie.

The cop was bold, and I don't recommend that as a policy for police, but it shows the key psychological technique for de-escalation: Make people feel heard, give people a sense of empowerment over their own lives.

In my opinion, the way to do mental health outreach is to offer people protection and support. And to make them understand that they have to trade some things for that protection and support, a choice they make. And then its key that they deliver, too. I'll never forget one woman I saw, who was clearly mentally ill, standing in her front yard, yelling at me as I passed. She had no supports, just a "normal" person. Unfortunately for her, she was also very attractive. I thought I saw a car circling her house, and could just imagine the predators sneaking around thinking "nobody will be believe her if she tells, she's crazy." I tried to start a conversation but couldn't, so there was nothing I could do, I moved on, knowing the police were aware now. What's totally unacceptable to me is the idea of somebody like that seeking support, only to get "loon: do not sell weapons to" stamped on her ID, and being pushed back out on the streets to be raped, totally unable to defend herself. So protection and supports means overt protection and supports. Even common sense things like issuing cell phones with a support person to talk to could make a difference in a dangerous situation.

Which brings us to the last thing, stigma. When somebody sees somebody getting treated, the idea should be that here is a person getting supports, like a senior, guy in wheelchair, or kid. The corresponding attitude should be the same. When a person no longer needs supports, the idea should be like somebody who had an accident, needed crutches for awhile, but no longer does. Its important for people receiving supports, like any disabled person, to have hope that they can at some point overcome their disability.

Okay, sorry to make you the target of a long, coffee fuel rant, but I feel like I got all the ranting off my chest. No more DU for me for awhile! DU addition is one of my own issues, I have to manage it carefully!

Peace

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Sounds like a mental illness n/t Fumesucker Dec 2012 #1
I would dearly love to speak to that person... CBHagman Dec 2012 #2
Were you talking to my sisters? Cold people. nt Mnemosyne Dec 2012 #3
Apparently they are unaware of St. Ronnie Reagan Ilsa Dec 2012 #4
If we use the excellent Dyedinthewoolliberal Dec 2012 #5
+1 n/t area51 Dec 2012 #12
That right there.... frostfern Dec 2012 #6
Reader's Digest version: our society is well and truly fucked in the head - n/t coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #31
I always thought these assholes live in a parallel universe. lpbk2713 Dec 2012 #7
Lock this guy in a cell with the naked guy who tried to eat somebody's face. eppur_se_muova Dec 2012 #8
Amen. DebJ Dec 2012 #23
If someone had said that to me today Zoeisright Dec 2012 #9
Stupid asshats! Most insurance doesn't cover psychiatric needs! DearHeart Dec 2012 #10
The ACA is changing that. Ins. policies will be required to provide some sort of Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #13
That'll be great...once it takes effect! DearHeart Dec 2012 #16
Yes...I'm hanging on until the ACA is fully implemented. I'm older and am so afraid Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #17
Yes my name if from the movie/song Dear Heart...one of my favorites! DearHeart Dec 2012 #18
I love that movie. I recorded it to DVD from TCM. As for COBRA... Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #19
I also recorded it to DVD from TCM, never seen it for sale anywhere on DVD. DearHeart Dec 2012 #25
No, Dear Heart is not on DVD. And the only VHS you can get is used. Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #26
I'm so glad that we both got this movie!! DearHeart Dec 2012 #34
We will be paying $18000 a year for health insurance beginning this March for two years DebJ Dec 2012 #24
tell me they were not on DU Skittles Dec 2012 #11
OP thread title sounds like beginning of a joke that needs a punch line...nt fadedrose Dec 2012 #14
That's the cancer this country suffers from. dawg Dec 2012 #15
Hell, I can't find a job. white_wolf Dec 2012 #20
Gross. Can you do me a favor, and Quantess Dec 2012 #21
I have bipolar II syndrome, a full time job, and pay for my BCBSM coverage out of pocket. Denninmi Dec 2012 #22
You rock. napoleon_in_rags Dec 2012 #27
It was like walking a minefield covered in broken glass and cobras. Denninmi Dec 2012 #32
I have the same mental health issue as you, and I'm arguing the mental health angle. napoleon_in_rags Dec 2012 #35
Thanks. I find it rather hard to chill about this. Denninmi Dec 2012 #36
Here's the thing you need to know about better supports for mentally ill: napoleon_in_rags Dec 2012 #41
I'm having a great deal of trouble envisioning the "no stigma" part, first and foremost. Denninmi Dec 2012 #43
No, you're totally right. napoleon_in_rags Dec 2012 #44
My problem is the reach is likely to be much greater than the problem. HereSince1628 Dec 2012 #38
It could go that way, but it just doesn't have to be like that. napoleon_in_rags Dec 2012 #39
Mean-sprited though this will sound, I hope severe mental illness visits coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #28
Why do we have to share this country with idiots like this? AZ Progressive Dec 2012 #29
I wonder if that person knows one of my former bosses who said those who coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #30
People like that are why we have mass shootings - n/t lbrtbell Dec 2012 #33
Heh--some of them already have jobs--as bosses librechik Dec 2012 #37
You can't fix stupid etherealtruth Dec 2012 #40
wtf? zappaman Dec 2012 #42
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