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NashvilleLefty

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28. Do you have a fucking clue how "negotiation" works?

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 09:26 PM

Dec 2012

Have you ever played Poker?

Obama is winning this. The deal is not just between him and Boehner, although they are the ones negotiating. Obama has to give something to allow the Repugs to "save face" and at least feel like they got something out of it. Remember, Obama's original goal was increasing taxes on people making $500k or over. His opening bid was $250k. Boehner eventually responded with $1mil and unspecified "entitlement" cuts, although they hinted at changing the chained CPI which is a HUGE concession considering that they wanted to privatize SS entirely.

Obama responded with tax increases for everyone with $400K and over - still $100k below his stated preference. I fault Obama because he already put a stake in the ground at $500, but at least we know what his line in the sand is. If he "gives" a little on the chained CPI, it's no big deal because that can be changed later.

All this extremist talk is just subjective.

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Obama, how DARE you cave on tax cuts for the rich & then raid Social Security to pay for them [View all] Tom Rinaldo Dec 2012 OP

I hope to god he isn;t gonna go there FirstLight Dec 2012 #1

I believe he already has gone there Tom Rinaldo Dec 2012 #6

Can't phrase it any better...+1.. ProudProgressiveNow Dec 2012 #38

Huh, a conscience and some balls would keep him from following through on with such a bad plan. iemitsu Dec 2012 #59

Obviously Obama doesn't give a you-know-what! marew Dec 2012 #67

You said it, and I agree. iemitsu Dec 2012 #69

Or Muppets nt MsLeopard Dec 2012 #109

The Rethugs might just do that LiberalLovinLug Dec 2012 #120

Not even Moderate Republican from the 80's ... GeorgeGist Dec 2012 #2

Nope, and Obama claims to be one of these. iemitsu Dec 2012 #60

It really shows how far to the right the Democratic Party has shifted, doesn't it? CrispyQ Dec 2012 #91

Shifted my ass! They are bought and paid for, that is the only explanation! Dustlawyer Dec 2012 #104

CHECKMATE !! leftstreet Dec 2012 #3

... Fumesucker Dec 2012 #4

Rush Limbaugh "WE don't compromise, we won." apparently that doesn't doc03 Dec 2012 #5

It's frightening to think what "compromises" Obama might have agreed to... Tom Rinaldo Dec 2012 #7

I'm so disappointed in Obama for doing this. So now we're taking Auntie Bush Dec 2012 #8

He hasn't fucking done anything yet sharp_stick Dec 2012 #9

He hasn't fucking done anything yet because the Republicans haven't agreed to it yet Tom Rinaldo Dec 2012 #10

+1 djean111 Dec 2012 #11

+2 Wind Dancer Dec 2012 #15

FuckinARight! AAO Dec 2012 #29

Pre-emptive bitching Plucketeer Dec 2012 #40

The pipeline give-in is yet to come. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #116

What do you do when... Plucketeer Dec 2012 #125

Sounds like John Boehner. Am I right? JDPriestly Dec 2012 #132

While I'm sure Boehner's like that Plucketeer Dec 2012 #141

They vote for increasing their stock investments. WHEN CRABS ROAR Dec 2012 #134

The Republicans aren't the ones accepting Obama's deal Dyedinthewoolliberal Dec 2012 #61

"...our course of action is to bombard our elected Congress people" pandr32 Dec 2012 #99

I wanted to "contact" Pelosi, who endorses this legislation, to let her know I emphatically disagree xtraxritical Dec 2012 #105

I tried also and got the same response! marew Dec 2012 #117

It is far far more than the usual subjects and of that I am completely delighted. After all the plethoro Dec 2012 #21

Let's wait and see. AAO Dec 2012 #31

Yes, he has Doctor_J Dec 2012 #51

Again you are absolutely correct! marew Dec 2012 #66

Duh! Reality check! marew Dec 2012 #65

All he has to do is nothing, and the tax cuts expire.... Which he failed at doing last time grahamhgreen Dec 2012 #68

No he hasn't but anyone paying attention knows the script harun Dec 2012 #87

Are you genuinely unaware of what is happening? Jakes Progress Dec 2012 #94

Thank you, all the pre-whining is making me mad as hell appacom Dec 2012 #107

Best deal possible?? Bake Dec 2012 #130

Yeah. AverageJoe90 Dec 2012 #138

What utter delusion and spin. Of course he has. woo me with science Dec 2012 #140

I filled out the on-line petitions and called my Senator today... lib2DaBone Dec 2012 #12

This is why I criticized Obama during the electio process. jerseyjack Dec 2012 #13

I held my fire during the election and worked to get him elected Tom Rinaldo Dec 2012 #16

He seems to be a 'no bones about it' corporatist. AAO Dec 2012 #33

I'm with you, Tom! Plucketeer Dec 2012 #43

"the election is over and Obama works for us, not the other way around" No Compromise Dec 2012 #46

The election is over and Obama doesn't need us anymore. dflprincess Dec 2012 #54

Absolutely!!! marew Dec 2012 #63

He is worried John2 Dec 2012 #47

Same here Doctor_J Dec 2012 #53

Amen! marew Dec 2012 #64

Agreed. n/t gollygee Dec 2012 #75

absolutely! shanti Dec 2012 #131

Bouught and femrap Dec 2012 #44

K & R AzDar Dec 2012 #14

Best title of the day. jsr Dec 2012 #17

What the fuck are you talking about? WeekendWarrior Dec 2012 #18

This Tom Rinaldo Dec 2012 #19

Thank you for providing clues Jakes Progress Dec 2012 #95

DU REC +1 nt Poll_Blind Dec 2012 #20

This may be a lost cause already tiredtoo Dec 2012 #22

I went on the WH website and sent a message. AnnieK401 Dec 2012 #111

I'll only hold it against him if it happens... bluegopher Dec 2012 #23

Let the Bush Tax Cuts expire! Negotiate a tax cut for the middle class in the upcoming year. RickFromMN Dec 2012 #24

got a survey from Debbie Wasserman today bluemarkers Dec 2012 #25

I did the same thing. NorthCarolina Dec 2012 #85

I know you are right bluemarkers Dec 2012 #133

Correct me if I'm wrong. AAO Dec 2012 #26

SS has no effect on the deficit by law Angry Dragon Dec 2012 #34

Then that begs the question: Why is Obama doing this? AAO Dec 2012 #37

He is the worst negotiator I have ever seen Angry Dragon Dec 2012 #41

He's more interested in impressing the historians duffyduff Dec 2012 #71

He won't be impressing historians Oilwellian Dec 2012 #93

I hope you're wrong, but I fear you are right... AAO Dec 2012 #142

if the GOP agrees to the cuts (but why would they, they believe he'll give them even more!) the DEM Divine Discontent Dec 2012 #27

Do you have a fucking clue how "negotiation" works? NashvilleLefty Dec 2012 #28

In poker you don't throw back three aces Paulie Dec 2012 #35

"save face" ........... not up to dems to make the repugs look good Angry Dragon Dec 2012 #36

It is possible this is a grand raise AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #55

Yep, that definitely turned out to be the case. n/t =) AverageJoe90 Dec 2012 #143

REC REC and fuckety fuck fuck him! In Truth We Trust Dec 2012 #30

You read my mind. 840high Dec 2012 #42

Anxiety Pills wouldn't hurt kitt6 Dec 2012 #32

And even if they are going to cut kitt6 Dec 2012 #39

A DEMOCRAT wouldn't. Obama, however, ... blkmusclmachine Dec 2012 #45

It's "earning" not "earing" and... Neon2012 Dec 2012 #48

Passing nothing is better than giving away earned benefits iemitsu Dec 2012 #72

Let me know when he's actually DONE that. CakeGrrl Dec 2012 #49

Everyone, including the WH, has admitted that he agreed to the cuts Doctor_J Dec 2012 #50

What we should be doing is making it clear to the Democrats in Congress is that, dflprincess Dec 2012 #56

Its very simple AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #52

Unrec brooklynite Dec 2012 #57

Just connect the simple dots Tom Rinaldo Dec 2012 #83

What's the matter with you people??? nruthie Dec 2012 #58

Big deal! marew Dec 2012 #62

So, we were saved from Obamas attack on SS by Boner???? grahamhgreen Dec 2012 #70

Perfect summary of our wholly unnecessary predicament. jsr Dec 2012 #73

Point is, if Obama isn't going to threaten the GOP with going over the cliff or else harun Dec 2012 #88

you heaven05 Dec 2012 #74

Your idea of loyalty reminds me of Blind Patriotism Tom Rinaldo Dec 2012 #78

what ever! heaven05 Dec 2012 #80

Reminds me of my Southern Baptist cousin. Jakes Progress Dec 2012 #96

and heaven05 Dec 2012 #139

My President, right or wrong. (Sounds better COLGATE4 Dec 2012 #98

This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Dec 2012 #76

The story in this post is false. underthematrix Dec 2012 #77

I'll repeat something I just posted as a reply in the center of this thread Tom Rinaldo Dec 2012 #84

A-freakin men! (eom) Loge23 Dec 2012 #103

It's the smart play Turbineguy Dec 2012 #79

Relax Champion Jack Dec 2012 #81

I'm sorry. Passivity now is not our friend. Tom Rinaldo Dec 2012 #86

GOBAMA!!! The president is winning! Trashing thread! Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2012 #82

Winning what? There is no winning. He put us in check by simply accepting the framing. TheKentuckian Dec 2012 #89

He's done no such thing. Until I see a plan, all this whining is senseless. GOBAMA!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2012 #101

Stupid rich people prius4me Dec 2012 #90

Amen +1 Beakybird Dec 2012 #92

Because the Republicans hold the House? treestar Dec 2012 #97

He hasn't done either, and one thing has nothing to do with the other bhikkhu Dec 2012 #100

Face the facts. Obama's really a moderate Republican. raindaddy Dec 2012 #102

I remember moderate Republicans. They weren't hostile to Social Security. kenny blankenship Dec 2012 #108

I remember moderate Republicans. They weren't hostile to Social Security. raindaddy Dec 2012 #110

lol grantcart Dec 2012 #106

That packed a lot into an OP Title, didn't it? Tom Rinaldo Dec 2012 #112

The most frustrating thing about it is mostlyconfused Dec 2012 #113

Old News Capt Lionel Mandrake Dec 2012 #114

That is exactly what it is: an extreme RW ploy in which social security benefits are reduced indepat Dec 2012 #115

Stealing from the poor to pay the rich is "austerity". Socialized theft. Disaster capitalism. Fire Walk With Me Dec 2012 #118

He knew that if he proposed it, the GOP would reject it. alfredo Dec 2012 #119

Correct. Ever hear of "Give an inch and they'll take a mile"? Tom Rinaldo Dec 2012 #121

They rejected it. The chained CPI was a poison pill. alfredo Dec 2012 #135

Then why was he negotiating with them at all? MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #122

I had confidence nothing would happen. alfredo Dec 2012 #136

I respectfully disagree ReRe Dec 2012 #123

And I respectfully acknowledge your disagreement Tom Rinaldo Dec 2012 #124

See, disagreeing isn't all that bad if you do it... ReRe Dec 2012 #128

As we are seeing here, having a 2nd Term POTUS has it's DOWNSIDES as well. 99th_Monkey Dec 2012 #126

People need to to chill the fuck out railsback Dec 2012 #127

His campaign was a total sham. He is now embracing Romneyhood. forestpath Dec 2012 #129

As I stated before and emphatically: OBAMA IS WINNING!!!!!!!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2012 #137