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Styles828

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Wed Dec 19, 2012, 10:57 PM
Dec 2012

I think the level of hatred and demonization here is chilling.

There are fringe-groups, in every bastion of society imaginable. The gross majority of gun owners are not in this fringe group. The majority of gun owners are responsible, level headed, law abiding citizens enjoying a legitimate sport. They are no more dangerous than the his hypothetical neighbour growing roses, or the college student renting the house across the street.

If the comments I am seeing here tonight were directed at any identifiable group but the easily vilified gun owners, it would be considered hate speech. This is appalling to see in an otherwise inclusive and modern society. Never in all my debates about all subjects under the sun have I seen this level of ignorance, hatred and absolutely corrosive language. Fifty-five Million American Citizens have just been dubbed 'assholes, frothing at the mouth with bloodlust' to paraphrase.

Ladies, Gentlemen, those with non-binary sexual identities, we as gun owners are not the boogeyman. We are not as portrayed by the media. We are not the ghoulish, lifestealing abominations the commenters in this thread believe us to be.

The first picture features an M134 Dillon Minigun. It is illegal for citizens to own. It is either a prop, or is owned by a weapons manufacturer doing Holiday Pictures. The woman is holding a Kalishnikov Variant. Civilian legal and well suited to hunting (a shock, I know). The man is holding an AR15 (Armalite Rifle model 15) Variant with what is supposed to look like the M203 grenade launcher. It in all likelihood is the more common 37mm flare launcher, attached to the rifle because the owner thinks it looks 'neat'. The AR15 is also an excellent hunting rifle. It is black and plastic because black plastic is light, durable and requires no oiling. The Machinegun appears to be an M60 GPMG. This one I may be mistaken on. It requires a Class III License to possess. They are yet to be used in a crime.

The second photo features two generic AR15 variants. As mentioned above, both suitable hunting rifles.

The third looks like a family shooting trip. One where the little tike is facing his first introduction to firearms, shooting, and all the safety with it. The comment that it is dangerous because the firearm is loaded is preposterous. It is beyond unlikely that a loaded (appears to be a glock, or perhaps another striker-fired pistol) handgun to a child. All the guns in this picture are hunting rifles or handguns. Nothing spicy in there, save for the attractive young woman in red. They all had a fun day and no-one shot up a pharmacy.

We, as firearms owners, are not frothing at the mouth. We do not long to kill. We do not get drunk and beat our wives. We are not religious lunatics waiting for doomsday. We are your doctors. Your soldiers. Your teachers, Lawyers, police officers, cabdrivers, construction workers, businessmen, fathers, mothers and tax bastards.

I, as a gun owner, hope I never am in a situation where I may have to take a life. The taking of life is something, even under entirely lawful and morally justified circumstances, that will change a person and stick with them forever. The very wise Dave Grossman is a man I would consider the world expert on human aggression, violence and the effects of those on society. I recommend his books highly. He writes on these subjects and it would be a great service for everyone, nomatter what their views, to read them.

Hunting both for sustenance and management is a good thing. No one is more concerned with and involved with the management and success of wild animals than the hunter. We fund it, we participate in it. We gain from it, as it in turn does from us. It is historically valid. It is currently relevant.

The continuing transubstantiation of guns for 'phalluses' is gratingly ignorant. I cannot kill a 3/4 tonne moose with my penis. I can with my hunting rifle. It will then go in to my freezer and provide me with freerange, organic meat for many months. I do not wish for a bigger penis. I don't own guns out of penis envy, spite or compensation. I own them for the same reason as I own any of my other tools. They fulfill a specific function. I cannot begin to imagine how the phallus argument would apply to the large and growing percentage of female shooters, including my wife. I don't care to imagine her filling a penis-insecurity with a firearm.

Stop the hatred. 1000 years ago it was the jews. 100 years ago it was blacks. 50 years ago it was gays and women. Now it is gunowners - be them hunters, sport shooters or collectors.

I would like to condemn in the strongest possible terms those who abuse firearms. People who commit acts of unprovoked violence are evil. I wish all these acts could be prevented, I really do. Mental health is in my opinion a bigger issue than is that of guns. Maybe this will be addressed by Obamacare. Maybe it will be addressed by the horrific tragedy in Newtown. I know when I heard about that terrifying act, I hugged my daughter tightly, and shed more than one tear for the victims and families of such unthinkable violence and mental illness.

If nothing else, take away from all I have written this: We are just like you. we have kids. We have wives. We have cars and jobs and houses. We care and vote and read and eat just like everyone else. Stop making us out to be monsters. Monsters we are not, no more than the Jews, Gays, Blacks and women hated before us. Attitudes like this are the reason there is violence in the world. The gun, knife, fist, bomb, and anything else that has ever been used to hurt someone was used in anger. In hatred. Because one party detested, hated or wouldn't accept another. Accept one-another. Even people who's skin is different. People who worship a different god, or none at all. People who are richer or poorer, more or less intelligent. People from all walks of life. People who are gay, straight or transgendered or curious. People who hunt. People who are shameful enough to speak with hatred.

Violence and murder need not be. They are both facilitated by the attitudes I see here. Love and care for, and watch it dissappear. Accept me as I have accepted all of you. Together, stand against violence. Against thuggery. Against corrupt and self serving politicians thriving on tragedy. Unite against the glorification of violence and death by the media. Unite for the simple reason on not being divided.

Love. Be loved. Care for and be cared for. Do not focus on the gun. Focus on people. People are the makers and doers of everything in this world.

-Dan

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That's from that asshole gun group in Arizona, isn't it? TheCowsCameHome Dec 2012 #1
Editing note: "Asshole gun group" is a redundancy. villager Dec 2012 #28
Especially when they are located in Arizona! csziggy Dec 2012 #80
+1 nt ProudProgressiveNow Dec 2012 #112
Yeah that does make it a triple. slampoet Dec 2012 #127
The third is particularly disturbing with that little boy in front... joeybee12 Dec 2012 #2
Oh yeah, a future, deeply disturbed teen in the making. Philosoraptor Dec 2012 #5
Or as a friend says to me about some children in those situations, that they Cleita Dec 2012 #106
Plus, he's wearing his hat like a rapper!!! JoePhilly Dec 2012 #33
You mean the kid who's getting ready to blow his foot off? 11 Bravo Dec 2012 #38
The third one is from Western Colorado. (nt) Doodler71 Dec 2012 #41
It looks that little kid is holding a real handgun. Look at how he's holding it. It's heavy. catbyte Dec 2012 #81
Absolutely vile. rivegauche Dec 2012 #3
because we invite them BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2012 #101
Every gun owner in America is guilty? Bake Dec 2012 #107
Can't imagine why she might be just a little bit upset, Bake. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #116
Getting wasted? Not lately. Not in a long while. Bake Dec 2012 #117
They probably are my neighbors Warpy Dec 2012 #4
I know a few dozen of these types. Philosoraptor Dec 2012 #7
I got them all around me. I bet every gun shop in America doc03 Dec 2012 #6
Cuz Merkins Lurv Thur Guns Warren DeMontague Dec 2012 #8
It makes you wonder RoccoR5955 Dec 2012 #9
Shooting range here is sponsoring photos of family, guns, and Santa Claus. sinkingfeeling Dec 2012 #10
they very much want their psychosis to be seen as normal Skittles Dec 2012 #15
Cool. I wonder how much help they'll be to their owners when CakeGrrl Dec 2012 #11
Long time no see. Philo-rapt. annabanana Dec 2012 #12
hey there back atcha anna Philosoraptor Dec 2012 #21
Let me tell you a story. A couple weeks ago, my neighbor rang my doorbell. He asked if I'd seen Erose999 Dec 2012 #13
Oh. My. Gawd. So paranoid they don't even recognize Trick or Treaters! Maraya1969 Dec 2012 #47
Do these people have any idea how they appear Surya Gayatri Dec 2012 #14
no, and it is up to us to let them know Skittles Dec 2012 #17
They're proud of their de-evolution into animals Philosoraptor Dec 2012 #19
+1,000! Surya Gayatri Dec 2012 #20
animals are so beautiful, predators only kill for food sasha031 Dec 2012 #77
No. llmart Dec 2012 #26
Yep, you can't reason with unreason! You can only stay as far away from it as possible... Surya Gayatri Dec 2012 #30
Yep. llmart Dec 2012 #39
You might want to reconsider either your opinion of gun owners or your avatar... friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #123
No, I don't think so on either of your suggestions....... llmart Dec 2012 #128
Annie Oakley... lancer78 Dec 2012 #137
And his wife is cradling her gun exactly as you'd hold an infant. Ugh! eom truth2power Dec 2012 #34
Yeah, noticed that too. Like she was rocking it to sleepy-bye...sick freaks! Surya Gayatri Dec 2012 #37
I see little if any difference between those photos and this famous one. Ikonoklast Dec 2012 #46
Ooooh...Come to sexy BeyondGeography Dec 2012 #59
Looks like my Uncle Joe, wearing a habit. Ikonoklast Dec 2012 #69
yes agree 100% they are the same people sasha031 Dec 2012 #76
Only differences? More modest wardrobe taste, better hairdresser and photographer... Surya Gayatri Dec 2012 #91
I didn't know this one was famous LiberalLovinLug Dec 2012 #109
I dunno, the look on Santa's face is pretty damn funny. renie408 Dec 2012 #16
you're actually able to discern a "look" on santa's face in that photo...? Mel Content Dec 2012 #18
It's in the eyes, they are the windows to the soul n/t Fumesucker Dec 2012 #24
you're seeing what you want to see...not what's actually there. Mel Content Dec 2012 #89
No, the other poster is right. His eyes are just a little bugged out... renie408 Dec 2012 #44
you're just seeing what you want to see... Mel Content Dec 2012 #90
Boy, I bet you are loads of fun at a party. renie408 Dec 2012 #95
He looks like he's telling myself over and over, "It's just a gig. It's just a gig. gkhouston Dec 2012 #53
This message was self-deleted by its author Horse with no Name Dec 2012 #22
Neighbors? Fumesucker Dec 2012 #23
In my case that is more true than for many others. Lone_Star_Dem Dec 2012 #25
What, no happy family photo of the man who took his son to a gun show Doremus Dec 2012 #27
Piece on Earth -- Merry Christmas from the Gunfuckers Blue Owl Dec 2012 #29
After learning about the craziness of some gun owners mrsadm Dec 2012 #31
I know how you feel. freshwest Dec 2012 #119
Freaks. AndyA Dec 2012 #32
They should move to a country like Somila where they would get an opportunity to really use their JoePhilly Dec 2012 #35
+1,000! Move someplace where they could get in some serious, up-close trigger time! Surya Gayatri Dec 2012 #40
I wonder how many of the fathers in these photos alp227 Dec 2012 #45
Poor Somalia has enough problems. Let them go to their very own private island. Maraya1969 Dec 2012 #48
Every time someone asks them about why they don't want to move there, Jamaal510 Dec 2012 #111
Disgusting! SammyWinstonJack Dec 2012 #36
It really is a fetish for them. An object they imbue with special power and personal meaning. scarletwoman Dec 2012 #42
Well put. Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2012 #124
Alamogordo had its armed teaparty protest Jan 2010 duhneece Dec 2012 #43
That dog was not happy. His tail was not wagging. It was between his legs. I hate seeing that. Maraya1969 Dec 2012 #50
Everyone is old enough to know not to put their finger on the trigger..except little dude Sheepshank Dec 2012 #49
Bunch of degenerates. nt cecilfirefox Dec 2012 #51
If there were a reason to wage war with Iran, it would be to draft these people muntrv Dec 2012 #52
plea for help commonsensevoter Dec 2012 #54
military takeover? hrmjustin Dec 2012 #56
...While visions of Red Dawn dance in his head... nt Ilsa Dec 2012 #60
Totally. That's it, right there. Warren DeMontague Dec 2012 #92
They're actually remaking that one hootinholler Dec 2012 #113
It is more likely that these nuts will be the cause of the problem, Ilsa Dec 2012 #57
Experience, history & statistics say "you're right" duhneece Dec 2012 #96
Enjoy your stay. Sedona Dec 2012 #61
TS'ed after 3 posts! nt Ilsa Dec 2012 #66
So, did the military takeover happen before or after you were abducted by aliens? n/t gkhouston Dec 2012 #62
You mad me LOL! freshwest Dec 2012 #120
If theres a crazy person shooting up my town, Vanje Dec 2012 #63
Yeah, because your stupid little guns will surely stop a military takeover involving drones. JaneyVee Dec 2012 #64
Help...I'm blinded by the white BeyondGeography Dec 2012 #55
Walking talking self-fulfilling prophecies every last one of them & when that day comes in which patrice Dec 2012 #58
+1,000 to what you said. freshwest Dec 2012 #121
They don't scare me one bit. nt rrneck Dec 2012 #65
Repulsive. And these people are not my neighbors. I live in a large Northeastern liberal city. smirkymonkey Dec 2012 #67
There are millions of us. And we all need to be putting the pressure on lawmakers to DO SOMETHING! LuckyLib Dec 2012 #108
Could be? These people are our neighbors. iemitsu Dec 2012 #68
Do these idiots not realized how stupid they look? Odin2005 Dec 2012 #70
Oh, aren't they tough. BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #71
Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #72
Oh but you're wrong. It's not that they could be - they ARE Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2012 #73
My Republican neighbors look like them Rosa Luxemburg Dec 2012 #74
The photos weren't intended to be "funny" lbrtbell Dec 2012 #75
Finally. Styles828 Dec 2012 #131
So people think this picture is not funny and silly that means we are "spewing hatred" hrmjustin Dec 2012 #132
Yes Styles828 Dec 2012 #134
Look gun owners are welcome here. We have many gun owners here. hrmjustin Dec 2012 #135
There are people right here on DU that saw nothing wrong with those, and worse gun stuff. Hoyt Dec 2012 #78
OK, what's wrong with the pictures? Recursion Dec 2012 #82
You wouldn't understand. Enjoy your guns. Hoyt Dec 2012 #83
I don't have any guns Recursion Dec 2012 #85
I know that they are flashing guns around their children blueamy66 Dec 2012 #100
Going to explain once Caretha Dec 2012 #129
Err... they're not meant to be funny Recursion Dec 2012 #79
Maybe , sans guns. Hoyt Dec 2012 #84
Guns turn good people into bad people? Recursion Dec 2012 #86
Damn, but DU got super judgemental lately. flvegan Dec 2012 #87
Apparently you've never met any of these folks Philosoraptor Dec 2012 #94
Show us you Guns! - SNL 1975 ThoughtCriminal Dec 2012 #88
Santa looks like he's being held hostage. Warren DeMontague Dec 2012 #93
The Santa photo is definitely funny RZM Dec 2012 #97
What a bunch of pathetic losers. Zoeisright Dec 2012 #98
I don't freak out over things like this. former-republican Dec 2012 #99
These people ARE my neighbors! wanttosavetheplanet Dec 2012 #102
Cringeworthy libodem Dec 2012 #103
Creepy people. Arugula Latte Dec 2012 #104
Those people or people like them are my neighbors. They are also Cleita Dec 2012 #105
Now, THIS is true pornography... VOX Dec 2012 #110
What a bunch of trash. Iris Dec 2012 #114
Nauseating. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #115
It's A Cult Dirty Socialist Dec 2012 #118
89/100 have guns amborin Dec 2012 #122
It's that kind of fear Fearless Dec 2012 #125
Well, if they are your neighbors customerserviceguy Dec 2012 #126
My favorite line from the old TV show "ER"......... llmart Dec 2012 #130
Please read in entirety. Styles828 Dec 2012 #133
That kid in the center on the bottom picture JoeyT Dec 2012 #136
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