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Deep13

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231. a bit overboard

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 02:26 AM

Dec 2012

no one's .22 is going to be used in a mass shooting or even a one off shooting. same with ancient firearms. there is no reason to punish a large segment of the voting public that has not done anything wrong.

houses are real estate. no one actually owns real estate, we only possess it. you pay taxes for the right to possess it. if i am paying punitive taxes on guns I owned before new regulations, then I want that money to be used to maintain public shooting ranges, the same way auto excise taxes pay to keep the roads paved. the dog licenses, well, that's just a way for the town to gouge you.

Here's an alternative proposal. SBRs, short-barrel rifles, are shoulder-mounted guns with barrels less than 16" long. They are technically legal, but only after a federal fee and special permit. You need that stuff before you can take possession. No ordinary gun shops sell SBRs because they are a bureaucratic pain in the ass. I have never heard of a gun crime being committed with a legally registered (as opposed to a hack-sawed improvised) SBR despite the fact that they are actually ideal for many crimes including mass shootings. Silencers are the same way. The states that allow them only allow them after a significant registration procedure. Lawful silencers are never used in crimes (again, not including things like shooting through a pillow).

So, treat any "assault weapon," however we end up defining that, as an SBR. Only serious gun enthusiasts will bother with the red tape and they will never transfer them to a third person.

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I do not want an "assault rifle" ban [View all] JanMichael Dec 2012 OP

I want the NRA classified as a terror org, and their funds frozen graham4anything Dec 2012 #1

So much for all that "common sense" talk TheMoreYouKnow Dec 2012 #3

LOL bongbong Dec 2012 #5

I didn't realize that calling out sheer insanity TheMoreYouKnow Dec 2012 #9

BongBong seems easily amused... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #26

Guns are sheer insanity as you call it. Gun lovers who think someone is out to get them need meds graham4anything Dec 2012 #34

The 70's were nothing like things are now. nt Mojorabbit Dec 2012 #53

They were 100 times worse then and in the past. Now all is peaceful except, and if, not for the gun graham4anything Dec 2012 #67

If you were never bothered, why do you care either way? pop topcan Dec 2012 #66

I was saying to my SO just last night tblue Dec 2012 #191

only way to stop incidents in the street is to stop guns from being in the street Legal& illegal graham4anything Dec 2012 #11

You Sir owe an apology. Glassunion Dec 2012 #42

And a pony! Don't forget a pony! Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #6

Who doesn't want a pony former-republican Dec 2012 #18

The 19 kids in Oklahoma City and the 20 kids in CT probably would love to be riding horses today graham4anything Dec 2012 #36

"weapons of mass destruction" Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #37

but that gets in the way of a good rousing rant! n/t a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #41

Guns indeed are WMD. They are manufactured to kill. No other reason to have one graham4anything Dec 2012 #48

and now you are engaging in pure bombast... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #49

Well, the one used on Friday Ineeda Dec 2012 #62

jeebers on a Harley... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #65

Edu-ma-cate yourself, pal. Ineeda Dec 2012 #69

and what did the FBI page say? a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #71

You conveniently took that snippet totally out of context: From the page pop topcan Dec 2012 #73

but they HAVE to take it out of context! a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #78

I could go&edit wiki if you would like to include guns as WMD and what a terrorist looks like too graham4anything Dec 2012 #74

and what did that quote from the FBI page say? a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #75

Uh, yes. They are in fact. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #253

that's rapid fire, not mass destruction... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #255

Like I said, words have meaning. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #54

Lizzie Poppet... that would destroy the full emotional thrust of the rhetoric a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #55

Good point. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #56

I've been noticing a trend in a lot of "arguments" around here a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #60

Don't forget.. letemrot Dec 2012 #108

pretty all of the classic ingredients for a witch hunt a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #113

Oh, dear! Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #204

Oops! a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #205

But what Sharks with letemrot Dec 2012 #217

It must not cost much for you to fly Kennah Dec 2012 #233

hit.nail.head Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #202

Lizzie Poppet... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #237

Because dead children are emotional rhetoric. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #254

Dead children are a tragedy. a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #257

You've just basically given me the "guns don't kill people, people kill people" line. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #259

Right back atcha a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #260

Then Bush was right to invade Iraq? The place was and is crawling with AK's friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #121

Guns may not be weopons of mass destruction until someone shoots 100 in a church... sanatanadharma Dec 2012 #193

Yep. They might have wanted ponies for Christmas JanMichael Dec 2012 #39

You actually believe that stuff, don't you? pop topcan Dec 2012 #72

Of course Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #240

The NRA fanboy can't stay away. morningfog Dec 2012 #175

I might support bullets costing 10k Travis_0004 Dec 2012 #33

I would like to have the NRA classified as what they really are, as well villager Dec 2012 #76

other than a lobbying party for gun manufacturers, what would that be? a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #77

Well "lobbying party for gun manufacturers" is a start, Geek Bob. villager Dec 2012 #81

Have I ever said anything other than that about the NRA a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #84

So -- just to be clear -- you consider your mission to "lower consciousness?" villager Dec 2012 #109

okay then... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #116

Okay, Bob! I will keep an eye out for those dreaded "social liberals!" villager Dec 2012 #124

Ever hear of Marcuse? How about "politically correct?" a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #126

So, the only example of a "social liberal" witchhunt you give is by someone who isn't villager Dec 2012 #128

speech codes have gotten a good play a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #134

Bob, what on earth are you talking about now? And who are "you guys?" villager Dec 2012 #140

You are going to tell me that you have never heard of speech codes? a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #142

Well, is that something used by social liberals in their witch hunts? villager Dec 2012 #143

okay... let's stop a minute... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #147

Bob, why don't you just say want you want to say, directly. Attack liberals straight on villager Dec 2012 #148

so, you're baitin', is what you are saying... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #152

Bob, who are "you guys?" You keep insisting I'm one of "them," but who is "them?" villager Dec 2012 #184

I liked the mixed up imagery... I think you've got something there a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #186

You mean, because I dared stereotype... the NRA!? villager Dec 2012 #198

Actually, some were stereotyping ME, so I returned the favor... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #203

Well, "some" may have been, but I wasn't. Though I believe I was accused of trying villager Dec 2012 #227

You would have First Amendment problems with that. N/T GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #172

Did you send your wish list to Santa? GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #166

it's called an assault rifle for a good reason. ban them. spanone Dec 2012 #2

Send this to Biden. Skidmore Dec 2012 #4

I like it. Whatever happens, I hope it is enough to close a bunch of gun stores, bankrupt a few Hoyt Dec 2012 #7

Why would prices plunge if manufacturers and dealers went out of business? ComplimentarySwine Dec 2012 #57

Couple of reasons - everyone will be dumping them because of annual tax and future ban on sales Hoyt Dec 2012 #79

it certainly worked out imported sports cars a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #80

I'm not sure that you're thinking this through ComplimentarySwine Dec 2012 #88

You don't understand - the annual carrying cost, the stigma , fact one can't sell it Hoyt Dec 2012 #110

What's going to prevent them from selling them after 5 years? ComplimentarySwine Dec 2012 #111

The law would say that. Then we'd see just how un-law-abiding gun culture is. Hoyt Dec 2012 #114

And after we see how "un-law-abiding" they are ComplimentarySwine Dec 2012 #131

Like I said, you gonna play Randy Weaver.? Hoyt Dec 2012 #199

Your crystal ball needs tuning. N/T GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #179

How the fuck does any of that preclude banning assault weapons? MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #8

How many Hummer H2's did you see on the road today? XRubicon Dec 2012 #123

They are not assault riffles nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #10

exactly...this "assault rifle ban" is going to get talked about... JanMichael Dec 2012 #12

Assault rifle or infantry battle rifle neither belongs on the streets. white_wolf Dec 2012 #14

Terminology and framing matters. nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #16

I like the idea of a property and/or sales tax too. TheOther95Percent Dec 2012 #13

The taxes will go to pay the employees of my new JanMichael Dec 2012 #15

Anything left over should go to mental health programs TheOther95Percent Dec 2012 #20

No, do not call it a tax, it'd be an annual license fee. To cover the costs HereSince1628 Dec 2012 #17

I like that; thank you JanMichael Dec 2012 #19

Just like cars you could also require insurance coverage HereSince1628 Dec 2012 #23

Better Idea. TheOther95Percent Dec 2012 #21

oh absolutely....tax the crap out of them JanMichael Dec 2012 #22

Best of all requiring fees of users is pure Ronald Reagan HereSince1628 Dec 2012 #24

There already is a tax RantinRavin Dec 2012 #44

In that case, it should be higher. Much higher. TheOther95Percent Dec 2012 #92

It's not going to happen slackmaster Dec 2012 #25

If it happens... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #28

Yes, and tragic boating accidents, shovels, and ABS pipe. slackmaster Dec 2012 #29

Not to mention axes, swords, and point-ed sticks n/t a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #31

Hey, "Bob," did Adam Lanza choose any of THOSE? WinkyDink Dec 2012 #122

so a crazy person goes for the most convenient weapon... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #132

Har-de-har-har. WinkyDink Dec 2012 #119

Did I make a joke? n/t a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #125

really. Works in other countries. JanMichael Dec 2012 #30

The United States of America is not "other countries" slackmaster Dec 2012 #38

There are limits to the first nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #40

What in the world do those have to do with JanMichael Dec 2012 #46

How many other countries have 9 guns for every 10 people? ComplimentarySwine Dec 2012 #61

The Arab Spring (which Democrats strongly support) would be an abortion without individuals pop topcan Dec 2012 #70

Perhaps we have different definitions of "first world" n/t ComplimentarySwine Dec 2012 #89

Just a guess...you've never been outside of Podunk County...right? pop topcan Dec 2012 #91

It's really ironic isn't it, how on every OTHER issue the bulk of DU worships Franklin's warning pop topcan Dec 2012 #82

it's classic propaganda... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #86

Dont reply to your sock.... XRubicon Dec 2012 #141

Registering, licensing and taxing are totalitarian? neverforget Dec 2012 #83

Well, now that you mention it...no. Let's bring back poll taxes, that will solve some of the 'black pop topcan Dec 2012 #93

Nice dodge neverforget Dec 2012 #95

Thanks...can you answer it? pop topcan Dec 2012 #96

I'll answer after you do neverforget Dec 2012 #98

Hate to tell you this but there are taxes on guns and ammo now neverforget Dec 2012 #102

Yes - All Good Suggestions cantbeserious Dec 2012 #27

This message was self-deleted by its author HereSince1628 Dec 2012 #32

Let's just have a "Net WorthTax".. socialindependocrat Dec 2012 #35

Things that make you go hmmmmmm,. 99Forever Dec 2012 #43

that poster lost me at the "dog food" comment JanMichael Dec 2012 #45

Smells a lot like the underside of a bridge to me. n/t 99Forever Dec 2012 #47

Firearm registration is federally illegal per.. beevul Dec 2012 #50

Per the Supreme Court, there's no way to force existing users to register anyway. It's a moot point. Xithras Dec 2012 #68

I want them banned. n/t Buzz Clik Dec 2012 #51

them...what? a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #52

the amendment reads a "well regulated militia." I want it JanMichael Dec 2012 #59

and therein lies the tale... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #63

It's a shame that's not the definition of 'Militia'. Also, 'Well Regulated' means something too! TheBlackAdder Dec 2012 #105

And I'm twisting the language... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #106

The laugh is... You have no concept of what I had written. nt TheBlackAdder Dec 2012 #265

I'd like to introduce you to the 21st century. Welcome. morningfog Dec 2012 #176

I was pointing out the vagaries of language... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #183

TAX allinthegame Dec 2012 #58

Fortunately, what you claim to want is less likely than Madonna becoming President. pop topcan Dec 2012 #64

Keep lying to yourself... XRubicon Dec 2012 #97

Okay...more like Lady GaGa becoming president. pop topcan Dec 2012 #100

how is he lying to himself? n/t a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #101

I think there will be new gun taxes, maddonna wont be president either. XRubicon Dec 2012 #117

and who are the stupid people? a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #120

People who own guns XRubicon Dec 2012 #129

ah... figured as much... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #135

How many guns do you own? XRubicon Dec 2012 #137

I guess it's those two graduate degrees and the upcoming third... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #138

by the way... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #139

Was there a sale at University of Phoenix? XRubicon Dec 2012 #145

great! I kind of figured something along those lines... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #150

I see this tax thing really has your brain overheating, that's why I like it. XRubicon Dec 2012 #155

WOW... you're just full of stereotypes... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #156

Please define socialist, I'd like to hear your definition XRubicon Dec 2012 #157

As I don't listen to Limbo, that won't help much... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #159

No need for subtlety with you to get results. XRubicon Dec 2012 #164

I'm a senator, now? Sweet! a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #169

Do you have a list? XRubicon Dec 2012 #171

So now I'm McCarthy? a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #180

Check out the big brain on Bob.... what do they call a quarter pounder in France? XRubicon Dec 2012 #182

no idea... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #185

Laughter is the best medicine and you Bob have provided much tonight XRubicon Dec 2012 #190

good to know you can laugh at yourself... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #195

How progressive of you to hate socialists. hrmjustin Dec 2012 #160

thank you for the kind words... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #161

Many countries are socialistic and are not repressive. hrmjustin Dec 2012 #163

Really? a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #167

Aren't most European countries Socialistic. hrmjustin Dec 2012 #174

So you don't hate liberals, Are you a liberal? hrmjustin Dec 2012 #189

My wife and I usually considerourselves to be "progressive" a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #194

Politics of resentment sounds like you mean class warfare. Do you think that liberals push hrmjustin Dec 2012 #197

and that's why I ask for clarification... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #201

So you would consider yourself a moderate democrat. hrmjustin Dec 2012 #207

and there we go again... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #208

I don't know. I consider myself a liberal. hrmjustin Dec 2012 #210

I can agree with all of those, provided we can define "gun control..." n/t a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #211

I support banning military style weapons. Do not ask me what types. I know nothing of guns. hrmjustin Dec 2012 #213

then we are in accord... n/t a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #214

So I guess we agree on much. hrmjustin Dec 2012 #216

No problems a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #238

Again I am sorry I was harping on you. hrmjustin Dec 2012 #243

No need to apologize... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #244

That is an interesting idea. hrmjustin Dec 2012 #245

The major problem is going to be the power usage... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #247

And when the cops show up you might need to turn it off. hrmjustin Dec 2012 #249

Not a problem a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #251

Do you believe in Santa claus? n/t Mr Peabody Dec 2012 #85

Just grab all those "Man Card" registrations that Bushmaster has... Pholus Dec 2012 #87

Why not insure them? graywarrior Dec 2012 #90

I agree 100%, I still want assault ban though. nt XRubicon Dec 2012 #94

Good plan, I support a ban on assaults too! pop topcan Dec 2012 #99

+50! n/t a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #103

Are you sure? XRubicon Dec 2012 #136

I used to have a lawyer, but he died when pop topcan Dec 2012 #151

I don't think you'll get your wish. If an assault weapon ban came back into fashion, that would be MADem Dec 2012 #104

I think the NRA is going to support a MAG ban on anything over 10 rounds. former-republican Dec 2012 #107

I think you're wrong. Llewlladdwr Dec 2012 #112

It's an easy gesture on their part former-republican Dec 2012 #115

Yeah, so we shouldn't ban them right? XRubicon Dec 2012 #127

It's feel good law and the rest will be grand fathered former-republican Dec 2012 #144

No way. The NRA will go hard line. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #188

That would probably be an 'easy way out' for them. MADem Dec 2012 #261

AGREE 100%! The $$$ angle is the only way to include ALL firearms & discourage usage. WinkyDink Dec 2012 #118

yep JanMichael Dec 2012 #133

I want all gun owners to buy insurance, just like auto insurance... Agnosticsherbet Dec 2012 #130

I am all over this one. Think of the shrinking of the medical system with another layer of libdem4life Dec 2012 #154

2nd post gonzo_del_oeste Dec 2012 #250

Works for me. After reading the hateful paranoid fetishistic garbage here on DU... Hekate Dec 2012 #146

so... instead of using a firearm on a home intruder, can I use a flame thrower? n/t a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #153

You can use your registered taxed licensed firearm and not ignite your house Hekate Dec 2012 #232

Can I use my 5 amp stunstick? a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #235

Can I be on the regulatory commission? Hekate Dec 2012 #246

Not many 6 year olds break windows or locks to invade a house... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #248

Yes yes and yes. Every firearm is registered. Just like motor vehicles. That's not too hard and libdem4life Dec 2012 #149

"Papers, please". Where have I heard that? NYC_SKP Dec 2012 #158

License and registration please... and proof of insurance. Sound familiar? XRubicon Dec 2012 #162

Equally disturbing, really. It wasn't always this way. NYC_SKP Dec 2012 #165

yup...yup...yup a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #173

No need to follow, Bob. Really. I mean it. I'd prefer actually that you stay right there. (nt) NYC_SKP Dec 2012 #177

in what way? a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #181

For a gun range. Get over youself. morningfog Dec 2012 #178

Get over yourself? NYC_SKP Dec 2012 #192

Please. What does any of that have to do with your opposition morningfog Dec 2012 #196

I just don't know what a gun range has to do with having a gun. NYC_SKP Dec 2012 #200

You have no idea about me, but assume as you like. morningfog Dec 2012 #206

When did I say I was against registration? NYC_SKP Dec 2012 #212

Then what the fuck did this mean? morningfog Dec 2012 #215

"Papers, please" is universally understood to apply to a police state. NYC_SKP Dec 2012 #218

So, you are against gun registration? morningfog Dec 2012 #219

You REALLY need to read all of my replies. NYC_SKP Dec 2012 #220

Partner, I read them all. Sport, you dodge my question. morningfog Dec 2012 #221

I think all new sales should be recorded, I support wait periods and background checks. NYC_SKP Dec 2012 #222

I was just looking for an answer. YOu still haven't given it. morningfog Dec 2012 #224

no. not for all guns, just new purchase. nt NYC_SKP Dec 2012 #226

And no, existing ownership of weapons will NOT be registered. NYC_SKP Dec 2012 #223

Ah, thank you for finally saying what you think. morningfog Dec 2012 #225

No reluctance, very few call for registration of all arms.It's fascist to want to register all arms. NYC_SKP Dec 2012 #228

It's a great idea. morningfog Dec 2012 #229

You do realize it's an impossiblilty to ever require registering all existing arms. NYC_SKP Dec 2012 #230

ummm... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #236

And drones! nt NYC_SKP Dec 2012 #239

well... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #242

I want liability insurance MurrayDelph Dec 2012 #168

Liability insurance excludes criminal acts. X_Digger Dec 2012 #170

Me too, JanMichael. Me too. tblue Dec 2012 #187

So You are the Person God Is That All There Is Dec 2012 #209

a bit overboard Deep13 Dec 2012 #231

Just curious if you believe ANY of this would have preventing the tragedy at Sandy Hook? Kennah Dec 2012 #234

Yes, I think strict regulations might have stopped the past several JanMichael Dec 2012 #258

Unless someone counts the rounds one buys and fires at the range, it's easy enough to stock up. Kennah Dec 2012 #262

OK- JanMichael Dec 2012 #263

A few thoughts Kennah Dec 2012 #264

Im a gun owner, but i support the ban on the assault weapons. darkangel218 Dec 2012 #241

K&R Chorophyll Dec 2012 #252

Better yet, conscript all Gun Owners into the Military and send them to Afghanistan. yodermon Dec 2012 #256