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In reply to the discussion: Does it strike anyone as important that the CT shooter had Aspergers and it is often treated with... [View all]Lone_Star_Dem
(28,158 posts)94. Fox News And The New York Times Abet Media Effort To Falsely Link Autism With CT Shooting
The murders committed in Newtown, Connecticut this week are an unimaginable national tragedy thats still sinking in, and while theres little the news media can do to help, they should, at the very least, do no harm at a time like this. Unfortunately, in addition to piles of reported facts that have wound up not to be true, our news media has been engaged, to varying degrees, in a campaign to falsely link autism with the sort of violence that resulted in this unthinkable event. Fox News Hannity program and The New York Times are among the latest to err on the extreme end of this spectrum.
The gold standard for irresponsibly and falsely linking autism with mass murder still belongs to MSNBCs Joe Scarborough, who, in the wake of the mass shooting at a movie theater in Aurora, Colorado, told his audience that killers like Aurora shooter James Holmes are somewhere, I believe, on the autism scale, and that while he didnt know if this was true of Holmes specifically, it happens more often than not.
Scarborough never corrected his utterly false and damaging statement on-air, but in that case, there were no other media figures mentioning autism, so Scarborough was the lone voice of irresponsibility. As I wrote extensively at that time, there is absolutely no evidence of any kind linking Autism Spectrum Disorders with criminal violence.
http://www.mediaite.com/print/fox-news-and-the-new-york-times-abet-media-effort-to-falsely-link-autism-with-ct-shooting/
The gold standard for irresponsibly and falsely linking autism with mass murder still belongs to MSNBCs Joe Scarborough, who, in the wake of the mass shooting at a movie theater in Aurora, Colorado, told his audience that killers like Aurora shooter James Holmes are somewhere, I believe, on the autism scale, and that while he didnt know if this was true of Holmes specifically, it happens more often than not.
Scarborough never corrected his utterly false and damaging statement on-air, but in that case, there were no other media figures mentioning autism, so Scarborough was the lone voice of irresponsibility. As I wrote extensively at that time, there is absolutely no evidence of any kind linking Autism Spectrum Disorders with criminal violence.
http://www.mediaite.com/print/fox-news-and-the-new-york-times-abet-media-effort-to-falsely-link-autism-with-ct-shooting/
Autism, Empathy, And Violence: Asperger's Does Not Explain The Connecticut Shooting
Some news coverage in the last 48 hours has mentioned autism in the context of the tragedy in Connecticut, particularly referencing shooter Adam Lanza's possible Aspergers or "high-functioning" autism. Talking heads have brought up the "empathy" factor when discussing autism, and I'd like to set some of the record on that straight.
Empathic ability comes in two forms. One is the social ability to recognize the emotion someone is feeling by following social cues, subtle vocal fluctuations, and other nonverbal communications. Psychopaths, for example, might be quite good at reading people, at applying this cognitive empathy and then possibly exploiting it. Autistic people, on the other hand, generally tend not to be that great at this kind of recognition in non-autistic people. After all, the hallmark of autism is difficulty navigating this territory and registering the meaning of a nonverbal language that is unfamiliar to them. Worth noting, non-autistic people also seem to struggle with reading the nonverbal communication of autistic people. It can also be difficult for autistic people to automatically place themselves situationally in the other person's shoes and intuit the emotion the other person feels, although again, non-autistic people seem to struggle to do this for autistics. Autism does not, however, preclude a person from understanding a clear communication about emotion.
The other form of empathy follows on the recognition of the emotion, whether the message comes through verbally or nonverbally, intuitively or not. That's the form in which you not only can intellectualize the person's emotion but also can internalize and feel what they are feeling, known as emotional empathy. The gap for psychopaths comes in here: They seem to lack this emotional empathy. But whatever deficits autism might carry in terms of recognition, it makes up for in terms of the shared feeling. My experience has been that once an autistic becomes aware of the other person's emotion, the feeling comes without a social construct, naked and in full, unmodulated. Certainly, the expression of their feeling can be more intense. Research shows that people with Asperger's are not that great at cognitive empathy but that their emotional empathy does not differ from people without Asperger's, whereas children with conduct disorder show the reverse pattern.
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Planned, social violence is not a feature of autism. Indeed, autistic people are far more likely to have violence done against them than to do violence to others. No one knows as of this writing what drove the Connecticut shooter to kill 20 children and 7 adults, point blank, although obvious candidates are rage, hate, a huge grudge against humanity and some triggering event. But if he turns out to have been someone on the spectrum, I'd like to remind everyone that autism is not an explanatory factor in his actions. And that autistic people like my son are fully, fully capable of empathizing with those who were the target of them.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/17/autism-empathy-connecticut-shooting_n_2314769.html
Some news coverage in the last 48 hours has mentioned autism in the context of the tragedy in Connecticut, particularly referencing shooter Adam Lanza's possible Aspergers or "high-functioning" autism. Talking heads have brought up the "empathy" factor when discussing autism, and I'd like to set some of the record on that straight.
Empathic ability comes in two forms. One is the social ability to recognize the emotion someone is feeling by following social cues, subtle vocal fluctuations, and other nonverbal communications. Psychopaths, for example, might be quite good at reading people, at applying this cognitive empathy and then possibly exploiting it. Autistic people, on the other hand, generally tend not to be that great at this kind of recognition in non-autistic people. After all, the hallmark of autism is difficulty navigating this territory and registering the meaning of a nonverbal language that is unfamiliar to them. Worth noting, non-autistic people also seem to struggle with reading the nonverbal communication of autistic people. It can also be difficult for autistic people to automatically place themselves situationally in the other person's shoes and intuit the emotion the other person feels, although again, non-autistic people seem to struggle to do this for autistics. Autism does not, however, preclude a person from understanding a clear communication about emotion.
The other form of empathy follows on the recognition of the emotion, whether the message comes through verbally or nonverbally, intuitively or not. That's the form in which you not only can intellectualize the person's emotion but also can internalize and feel what they are feeling, known as emotional empathy. The gap for psychopaths comes in here: They seem to lack this emotional empathy. But whatever deficits autism might carry in terms of recognition, it makes up for in terms of the shared feeling. My experience has been that once an autistic becomes aware of the other person's emotion, the feeling comes without a social construct, naked and in full, unmodulated. Certainly, the expression of their feeling can be more intense. Research shows that people with Asperger's are not that great at cognitive empathy but that their emotional empathy does not differ from people without Asperger's, whereas children with conduct disorder show the reverse pattern.
<snip>
Planned, social violence is not a feature of autism. Indeed, autistic people are far more likely to have violence done against them than to do violence to others. No one knows as of this writing what drove the Connecticut shooter to kill 20 children and 7 adults, point blank, although obvious candidates are rage, hate, a huge grudge against humanity and some triggering event. But if he turns out to have been someone on the spectrum, I'd like to remind everyone that autism is not an explanatory factor in his actions. And that autistic people like my son are fully, fully capable of empathizing with those who were the target of them.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/17/autism-empathy-connecticut-shooting_n_2314769.html
And the results of all this lovely uninformed speculation about autism.
Troubling legacy of Sandy Hook may be backlash against kids with autism
(TIME.com) -- On the first day back to school after 20 first-graders and six adults died at a Connecticut elementary school, students at a Utah middle school gathered to discuss the massacre.
A boy raised his hand. "The reason why this man shot little kids is because he has autism," he said.
Tricia Nelson's seventh-grade son was at the assembly. He's shy, not the kind of child apt to speak in public, but his hand darted up in response. "Autism doesn't make people shoot other people," he said.
At 12, Nelson's son is somewhat of an expert on autism. His younger brother, who is 10, has a severe form of the neurodevelopmental disorder. He doesn't speak and he attends a school for special needs. But he is not violent, said his older brother; he would not kill anyone.
"He was in tears when he was telling me what happened," says Nelson of her older son. She is an events organizer for Autism Speaks, the world's largest autism research and advocacy group. "He said, 'This boy is going to spread rumors.'"
After Nelson's son spoke up, a teacher seconded his comments. She urged the students not to make assumptions. Yet as the country struggles to come to grips with the loss of life at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, people with autism are finding themselves the focus of misunderstanding and more than a little scrutiny.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/19/health/shooting-autism/
(TIME.com) -- On the first day back to school after 20 first-graders and six adults died at a Connecticut elementary school, students at a Utah middle school gathered to discuss the massacre.
A boy raised his hand. "The reason why this man shot little kids is because he has autism," he said.
Tricia Nelson's seventh-grade son was at the assembly. He's shy, not the kind of child apt to speak in public, but his hand darted up in response. "Autism doesn't make people shoot other people," he said.
At 12, Nelson's son is somewhat of an expert on autism. His younger brother, who is 10, has a severe form of the neurodevelopmental disorder. He doesn't speak and he attends a school for special needs. But he is not violent, said his older brother; he would not kill anyone.
"He was in tears when he was telling me what happened," says Nelson of her older son. She is an events organizer for Autism Speaks, the world's largest autism research and advocacy group. "He said, 'This boy is going to spread rumors.'"
After Nelson's son spoke up, a teacher seconded his comments. She urged the students not to make assumptions. Yet as the country struggles to come to grips with the loss of life at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, people with autism are finding themselves the focus of misunderstanding and more than a little scrutiny.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/19/health/shooting-autism/
Think about what you're saying. This sort of speculation to push an agenda at the expense of smearing innocent people is not acceptable. Words have power, and we should never use them to hurt an already abused demographic of our population. Which if you mean to be doing so or not, is exactly what your doing with this type of misinformed speculation.
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Does it strike anyone as important that the CT shooter had Aspergers and it is often treated with... [View all]
Th1onein
Dec 2012
OP
Really? I HAVE personal experience with them. So do several of my family members, all of whom had
Th1onein
Dec 2012
#138
NO ONE is posting attacks on people with Asperger's or any other mental disability.
Th1onein
Dec 2012
#219
These problems prob. existed BEFORE they took the medications. Often they go off them cold turkey.
Michigan Alum
Dec 2012
#152
i've seen no verifiable source that says this is the case, & lots of different reports of what he
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#3
I think psychiatrists and MD's; anyone who writes a script for these kinds of meds.....
Th1onein
Dec 2012
#7
In 2008 SCOTUS reaffirmed it was OK to deny 2A rights to criminals and the mentally ill
HereSince1628
Dec 2012
#107
No, of course not. But you shouldn't be able to buy a gun unless you are stable on these drugs.
Th1onein
Dec 2012
#139
That's crazy, I'm sorry. Even with anxiety, I'm more functional than most Americans,
adigal
Dec 2012
#145
Thank you, green for victory. These forums explain a lot about the effects of withdrawing from
Th1onein
Dec 2012
#266
NO! This is another red herring. Regardless of Adam Lanza's mental health, meds,
riderinthestorm
Dec 2012
#12
That's you, Odin2005. As many as five percent have adverse reactions involving violence to self or
Th1onein
Dec 2012
#18
She might have been high on Jesus, but she was also on Prozac, and had just had her dosage changed
Th1onein
Dec 2012
#42
Please don't launch personal attacks, Confusious. It lowers the level of discourse on this forum.
Th1onein
Dec 2012
#87
It's far from speculation when it's been reported as coming from an official involved in the
Th1onein
Dec 2012
#195
Why don't you do a search on this topic? I'm not talking about the medical examiner.
Th1onein
Dec 2012
#221
"your entire crusade is a personal attack against people who have mental illness"
green for victory
Dec 2012
#238
You forget one very important fact: THE DRUGS HAVE A BLACK BOX WARNING ON THEM.
Th1onein
Dec 2012
#248
If the safe administration of these drugs requires hospitalization, then yes, they must be
Th1onein
Dec 2012
#257
ANOTHER personal attack, Confusious! Calling me a fundie? Is Henry Waxman also a fundie?
Th1onein
Dec 2012
#271
Because 5% might be adversely affected, we should do away with the drugs and
GreenPartyVoter
Dec 2012
#25
And I gave you a suggestion on how to manage it, but how do we get it to happen? In the meantime not
GreenPartyVoter
Dec 2012
#51
We need to hospitalize people who are prescribed these drugs. Closely monitor them.
Th1onein
Dec 2012
#91
I think it's something we should consider, if not for everyone then at least under certain criteria,
GreenPartyVoter
Dec 2012
#95
Absolutely, there are many who experience no adverse reactions resulting in violent behavior. BUT
Th1onein
Dec 2012
#48
I don't find it hard to understand at all. But there are more weapons out there than just guns.
Th1onein
Dec 2012
#92
RIIIIIGHT! Because NO ONE who ever takes drugs does things that they later don't remember doing!
Th1onein
Dec 2012
#194
I'm not "smearing" ANYONE. I'm against these drugs because they are dangerous.
Th1onein
Dec 2012
#218
Suicidal tendencies and violent, destructive thoughts are behavioral side effects
lunasun
Dec 2012
#158
I am so glad they are helping! I wish mine did a bit more, but since I am bipolar 2 it's bit tricky
GreenPartyVoter
Dec 2012
#47
Then please edit your OP to reflect that, because right now it doesn't read that way to me at all.
GreenPartyVoter
Dec 2012
#61
I doubt that anyone with a grain of critical thought could possibly take the OP seriously.
Walk away
Dec 2012
#229
It's too late now, but you should have edited the title to your post, then.
AngryOldDem
Dec 2012
#243
The title to the OP is not demonizing anyone. THERE IS NO SUBTEXT except to people who can't
Th1onein
Dec 2012
#244
I'm so sorry to hear of the difficulties your family has encountered and continues to encounter.
thucythucy
Dec 2012
#184
*hugs* I have a son that is PDD, but has a lot of Aspie-like features as one
GreenPartyVoter
Dec 2012
#126
No, here's the deal. If you are on an SSRI antidepressant, you are TWELVE times more likely to
Th1onein
Dec 2012
#50
Please don't split hairs. SSRIs are often used to treat certain aspects of Aspergers.
Th1onein
Dec 2012
#88
A lot of people insisted that the world was going to end yesterday, too, but that didn't make it
Th1onein
Dec 2012
#217
So now you're comparing every DU'er who has called you out on your irresponsible
thucythucy
Dec 2012
#225
You very apparently don't understand the point that I was trying to make. In fact, you reiterate my
Th1onein
Dec 2012
#193
I guess the fact that a high percentage of people on SSRIs are depressed to begin with has nothing..
Walk away
Dec 2012
#231
Would you prefer that people with mental illnesses received no treatment?
Motown_Johnny
Dec 2012
#40
They haven't found any evidence that he was on any medication. There was none in the home...
nessa
Dec 2012
#56
Fox News And The New York Times Abet Media Effort To Falsely Link Autism With CT Shooting
Lone_Star_Dem
Dec 2012
#94
Thank you. This has been one of my fears (there are so many) since this broke.
Butterbean
Dec 2012
#106
There is at present nothing whatsoever to confirm he was on anything at all.
dipsydoodle
Dec 2012
#96
It strikes me as important that we should be focusing on adequate mental health treatment
Skidmore
Dec 2012
#125
Does it strike anyone as important that there are a lot of red herrings being posted?
kiva
Dec 2012
#127
No. Not important. The easy accersability to guns and ammunition are the root cause. nt
bowens43
Dec 2012
#128
Antidepressants do a lot more good than harm. The people taking them are often in crisis before
Michigan Alum
Dec 2012
#155
He was not under a psychiatrist's care so he was NOT on any antidepressants.
Michigan Alum
Dec 2012
#156
I wonder how many people the current "demonize the mentally ill + treatment" craze will kill. (nt)
Posteritatis
Dec 2012
#178
excuse me, but where the fuck did you come up with his diagnosis and treatment, Dr.?
magical thyme
Dec 2012
#209
In all liklihood, this guy was misdiagnosed. He was a Paranoid Schizophrenic.
MichiganVote
Dec 2012
#246