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BainsBane

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68. 70% of murders involve guns

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 03:34 AM

Dec 2012

While only 4.6% of violent crimes are committed by the mentally Ill, and the majority of those are self inflicted. But you're happy to ignore the 14th amendment so than gun nuts can continue stockpiling WMD and fantasize about public shootouts where they can shoot 100 rounds in an area dense with bystanders. There is a lot of crazy going around, for sure, only they refuse to recognize the fact they suffer from paranoid delusions and instead want to institutionalize bigotry against the portion of the population with the courage to seek help for their problems. Yes, guns should be kept out if the hands of dangerous people, but if you think they come principally from those seeking mentally health treatment, you are badly mistaken. The most deadly people in this country are male alcoholics and drug addicts, and men up to around age 38.

Please see this study on violence and mental illness: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1525086/

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20 Good Reasons to push for Gun Control - Can't be refuted [View all] boston bean Dec 2012 OP

I'd argue that you are wrong a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #1

So you are suggesting that we should go around assessing the entire population... Walk away Dec 2012 #5

Minority Report ftw!!! Puzzledtraveller Dec 2012 #9

And here we go... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #10

So we will be having mental illness check points on street corners? Walk away Dec 2012 #23

As I've had to meet with FAA and ATFE personnel to maintain my LEUP and LEMP permits... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #28

I thin kall the gunners are suffering from acute lead poisoning. They have lost the ability to morningfog Dec 2012 #46

Yes... Sancho Dec 2012 #57

That is fine with me BainsBane Dec 2012 #69

Then surely you would be all for mental health screenings and waiting periods Marr Dec 2012 #8

I agree with you on this one a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #12

And how do you predict who the "crazies" are? PA Democrat Dec 2012 #21

an inclined crazy person WILL find a way to cause harm... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #27

So which mental illnesses are the violent ones? PA Democrat Dec 2012 #29

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH!!! Zoeisright Dec 2012 #33

ah... the ad hominem... I was waiting a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #36

Sure can. They walk in his shop, pee on his bed, start a fire, hurt their pet. See? uppityperson Dec 2012 #62

Stop. Just stop. Please. ellisonz Dec 2012 #35

open thread... "friend" a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #37

I better be careful... ellisonz Dec 2012 #38

up to you... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #42

because the mentally healthy play with the same lethal toys that killed a lot of children last week DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2012 #45

WOW. Your ignorance about mental illness is beyond appalling. PA Democrat Dec 2012 #41

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So which diagnoses should qualify for automatic incarceration hotshot? PA Democrat Dec 2012 #52

If a guy owns an assault rifle and high-death count cartridges BainsBane Dec 2012 #70

What is a high death count cartridge? ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #77

The ones the mass killers use BainsBane Dec 2012 #78

Could you be more specific? ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #80

30, 31, 32 BainsBane Dec 2012 #81

So there is not high death count cartridge or mass murder bullets? ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #83

Yes there is BainsBane Dec 2012 #84

Bullets are not magazines ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #85

magazines hold bullets BainsBane Dec 2012 #87

So was your comment about Mass Murderer Bullets ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #88

high-death count magazines was my term BainsBane Dec 2012 #89

No your title was high death count cartridges ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #91

Completely fucking wrong. Zoeisright Dec 2012 #32

your pop-psychology is showing a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #34

Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #61

70% of murders involve guns BainsBane Dec 2012 #68

If you can't spell prima facie cliffordu Dec 2012 #71

i'd argue the op is right. spanone Dec 2012 #86

... ellisonz Dec 2012 #2

Yeah. Warren DeMontague Dec 2012 #3

Brilliant thebard77 Dec 2012 #4

Well, considering the guns the guy used were stolen... OneMoreDemocrat Dec 2012 #6

So the answer is to not let ANYONE buy this shit. And to make them illegal to possess. Warren DeMontague Dec 2012 #7

You might be able to pass another AWB but I doubt that any law can be passed ... spin Dec 2012 #13

Then I guess the fans of these guns have nothing to worry about. Warren DeMontague Dec 2012 #14

+1 ellisonz Dec 2012 #20

+1 cyberswede Dec 2012 #43

You admit more of these weapons on the street is a bad thing. Good to know. morningfog Dec 2012 #53

Prior to the last ban few gun owners I knew had any real interest in owning a "black rifle." spin Dec 2012 #59

I'm with you CokeMachine Dec 2012 #66

+100 nt Mojorabbit Dec 2012 #67

Actually, yeah... OneMoreDemocrat Dec 2012 #15

Is that supposed to be clever? ellisonz Dec 2012 #11

No, not really... OneMoreDemocrat Dec 2012 #16

He took them from his irresponsible mother... ellisonz Dec 2012 #19

A good thing? OneMoreDemocrat Dec 2012 #25

"The responsibility for this outrageous act of violence is with the killer" ellisonz Dec 2012 #30

You think the responsibility for this belong elsewhere? OneMoreDemocrat Dec 2012 #47

So the blame lies elsewhere? letemrot Dec 2012 #90

The gun culture ellisonz Dec 2012 #92

Then make the law require it. letemrot Dec 2012 #93

Then tell the NRA to get out the way! ellisonz Dec 2012 #94

I am not in or have ever been in the NRA letemrot Dec 2012 #95

Thank You ellisonz Dec 2012 #96

That makes no sense. Your conclusion is a contradiction of your premise. Godalmighty. morningfog Dec 2012 #51

They were not illegal, they were part of the household arsenal. That dog won't hunt. freshwest Dec 2012 #56

Can anyone define what they mean when they say 'gun control'? The Straight Story Dec 2012 #17

Yes. Warren DeMontague Dec 2012 #18

I think many are put off by the picture/looks The Straight Story Dec 2012 #24

Im not going to get into one of these semantic gungeon debates. I know how this works. Warren DeMontague Dec 2012 #48

Good thing, since you usually get spanked ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #73

Mmm Hmmmm Warren DeMontague Dec 2012 #75

And I even support some serious changes, and have for quite some time ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #76

Thank you for explicating. FWIW, I dont "usually get spanked" b/c Ive been politically neutral Warren DeMontague Dec 2012 #82

Great question... OneMoreDemocrat Dec 2012 #22

Interesting The Straight Story Dec 2012 #39

Huh, I didn't know about stricter requirement already in place in some areas... OneMoreDemocrat Dec 2012 #50

RIP... precious ones. President Obama took me back to Calling the Roll in my First Grade Class. libdem4life Dec 2012 #26

Rational debate is needed to prevent more tragedies. OP is not a useful place to start. Do you have jody Dec 2012 #40

6 bullets an hour maximum rate of fire. Warren DeMontague Dec 2012 #49

Can you explain how the mechanics of that work? (nt) The Straight Story Dec 2012 #54

Nope. The people who are the gun experts, and so invested in keeping them Warren DeMontague Dec 2012 #58

Muzzle loader Kaleva Dec 2012 #60

I can can skin gut and eat an intruder in less time that that reload rate. NYC_SKP Dec 2012 #64

I tried to find on youtube an old Bill Cosby comedy routine.. Kaleva Dec 2012 #65

I don't think the delicate flowers will appreciate your humor ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #74

Do you suffer from gun related lead posioning? Your callousness is disturbing. ` morningfog Dec 2012 #55

What bothers me.. is Dems in Congress who support drone killing of young children.. lib2DaBone Dec 2012 #63

Yeah BainsBane Dec 2012 #72

So picky about deaths Riftaxe Dec 2012 #79