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billh58

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154. Then how do you

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 10:23 AM

Dec 2012

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explain away the fact that the USA has the highest gun death rate in the world? Everything you said is partially true, but half-truths don't solve problems. In Hawaii, where I live, we have strict gun laws and mandatory registration, AND the lowest gun death rate in the nation.

The stock false equivalency arguments and outright lies used by the NRA over the years to push their "all guns, all the time" agenda, and the buying and bullying of politicians to support that agenda are all falling apart in the light of reality.

Yes, people on a mission will find a way to kill others, but that does not mean that we have to make it easy for them. Less access to guns (the preferred choice for mass killings) means fewer deaths as evidenced by Hawaii in the USA, and other developed countries around the world.

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You want some common-sense gun control? Here you go. [View all] Hugabear Dec 2012 OP

Works for me. Not Me Dec 2012 #1

WONDERFUL IDEA ROBROX Dec 2012 #145

My husband proposed a "non-violence tax" on all firearms and all Americans to be used for mental Happyhippychick Dec 2012 #2

I would suggest a couple of other things susanr516 Dec 2012 #3

Bingo. How is Sudafed tightly regulated, but not ammunition? Hugabear Dec 2012 #12

It is used to make meth Peregrine Dec 2012 #24

That's Just Silly ProfessorGAC Dec 2012 #126

To prosecute ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #63

I'd argue against that tech3149 Dec 2012 #131

Fees for the sake of having fees? prius4me Dec 2012 #156

A lock would have avoided this adigal Dec 2012 #163

I'm on board with all of that Flashmann Dec 2012 #4

These are all good and there are so many good suggestions coming up here on DU Voice for Peace Dec 2012 #5

I don't agree with retroactively registering guns. upaloopa Dec 2012 #6

Don't you register your car? PADemD Dec 2012 #14

I register my dog too do we register for registering sake? upaloopa Dec 2012 #17

They fear a gun registry but not automobile registry? Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2012 #48

The benefit to society is fewer slaughtered kids DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2012 #52

i own several guns and do not fear a national registry.. frylock Dec 2012 #68

Also, I pay the county $10 a year to own a cat. DURHAM D Dec 2012 #74

"Many people fear a national gun registry..." - Hell, I fear my kids being shot at school groundloop Dec 2012 #142

Weren't the guns that killed all those innocent children last week registered? forthemiddle Dec 2012 #169

car registration azureblue Dec 2012 #71

Perfect! JimDandy Dec 2012 #82

Registrtion is only required for vehicles operated on public roads. OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #86

Well stated bw3517 Dec 2012 #96

You would fine them AFTER a crime or accident? thecrow Dec 2012 #22

You can't punish them for breaking a law until upaloopa Dec 2012 #23

Ya know, by that logic abortion access legislation should be enacted only by women Liberal Gramma Dec 2012 #55

Because that has worked so well up to now, hasn't it? Ikonoklast Dec 2012 #58

One reason... Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #80

Registration, OK sir pball Dec 2012 #157

Three things: flamin lib Dec 2012 #61

Spoken like a true billh58 Dec 2012 #66

Are you talking to me? I'm not a gunner upaloopa Dec 2012 #76

If it talks like a duck... billh58 Dec 2012 #97

Pardon me for a moment Sherman A1 Dec 2012 #111

That's bullshit.You should WANT to register all of your firearms.No excuse.At least register.Maybe judesedit Dec 2012 #113

So where do we go from here with this? Squinch Dec 2012 #7

yes, like you said, a buyback program wyldwolf Dec 2012 #112

Graded weapons licensees. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #8

What need would there be for military-style semi-automatic weapons Patiod Dec 2012 #13

You build that into the grading system. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #15

Brilliant. Now that the nation is finally gaining a tenuous grasp on sanity regarding drugs, Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #9

shhhhh Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2012 #30

gun control doesn't work in other countries? CreekDog Dec 2012 #144

26 people were not beaten to death with a bong on Friday n/t Scootaloo Dec 2012 #37

Do you honestly believe that passing a law banning whatever is going to stop people from Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #56

This bullshit again. "People will break the law, so don't bother having a law!" Scootaloo Dec 2012 #59

You're right. You're not an expert. This is a trade that you can learn by mail filling out a form on Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #60

So now that you've thrown your little fit, you're done. Gee, I wonder why we never Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #78

Actually, it does.... Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #94

Actually it doesn't. Everybody in America that really wants a full-auto rifle/pistol Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #110

I would love the weapons your 'gun-runners' ..... daleanime Dec 2012 #124

To own? Why? Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #137

Because it would likely blow-up... daleanime Dec 2012 #165

You apparently have come to the erroneous conclusion that firearms are some Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #166

My "erroneous conclusion"? daleanime Dec 2012 #167

I see what you did there. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #168

Big K/R from a gun owner Autumn Dec 2012 #10

How about a skills test to obtain a license? rgbecker Dec 2012 #11

That's what gun nuts want to avoid azureblue Dec 2012 #72

Why is it bw3517 Dec 2012 #91

Cars aren't designed for the express purpose of killing theKed Dec 2012 #102

I see what you did there... billh58 Dec 2012 #106

Sounds good. GreenPartyVoter Dec 2012 #130

Parents of mentally ill children PADemD Dec 2012 #16

I got rid of mine for that very reason Throckmorton Dec 2012 #34

I worked with someone who did the same xmas74 Dec 2012 #39

I was thinking the same thing plus some more. Every gun owner should neverforget Dec 2012 #18

6. And re-register existing firearms . . . MrModerate Dec 2012 #19

What's that shadow on your face? Doc Holliday Dec 2012 #36

7 is unconstitutional per Heller hack89 Dec 2012 #64

Well, then it's time to do something . . . MrModerate Dec 2012 #83

So you are looking for a multi-generational solution? hack89 Dec 2012 #84

As opposed to doing nothing . . . MrModerate Dec 2012 #99

There are many practical things that can be done hack89 Dec 2012 #114

Let's do them, too. n/t MrModerate Dec 2012 #118

Are there any penalties involved for failure to follow the rules? thecrow Dec 2012 #20

If you put two mags through a gun, and then clean the barrel... AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #43

They tried to implement the powder tags at one time, during the Clinton Administration. RC Dec 2012 #67

Bring it back. Make it an either-or proposition. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #70

Insurance & accountabllity bongbong Dec 2012 #21

Sounds pretty good. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #25

no one has a right to own a gun outside of the construct of a well regulated militia...... bowens43 Dec 2012 #26

Good ideas rwheeler31 Dec 2012 #27

As an addendum to No. 5 . . . ET Awful Dec 2012 #28

I like it. Here are some more I would suggest: Gore1FL Dec 2012 #29

A Good Start To Meaningful Change cantbeserious Dec 2012 #31

I agree 100% ybbor Dec 2012 #32

This makes total sense unless your're a crazied tea bagger with a desire to take down the govt. SleeplessinSoCal Dec 2012 #33

Terrific ideas! I like them all! calimary Dec 2012 #35

Sounds like Canada riverbendviewgal Dec 2012 #38

As long as the same applies for the Police. nm. LeftofU Dec 2012 #40

I like the idea of taxes going towards mental health....but lib2DaBone Dec 2012 #41

Inline. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #42

Re: #4 - DURHAM D Dec 2012 #73

The Bill of Responsibilities Godot51 Dec 2012 #44

I'm okay with exempting single-shot black powder devices & National Guard service. politicat Dec 2012 #45

Error. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #75

Thanks! politicat Dec 2012 #87

Sure. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #98

So, does common sense tell us where the money to do these things can be found? Llewlladdwr Dec 2012 #46

Well then let's do nothing Hugabear Dec 2012 #47

Why do you feel that something MUST be done? Llewlladdwr Dec 2012 #49

After last week, you can say that with a straight face? Hugabear Dec 2012 #53

Is this how you talk bw3517 Dec 2012 #92

See ya later, troll Hugabear Dec 2012 #119

Are you human? Why DON'T you feel something should be done? DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2012 #54

Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #93

You're among your betters DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2012 #101

No, we should ban billh58 Dec 2012 #108

What about the rights of those 20 children? BainsBane Dec 2012 #116

Yes, it's all about YOU BainsBane Dec 2012 #117

+1000 billh58 Dec 2012 #121

Ballistics tests are a waste of time happyslug Dec 2012 #50

Okay. It think there is ground we can work from. TheKentuckian Dec 2012 #51

I actually take issue with #5, those things jam more easily, which is a good thing. Sirveri Dec 2012 #57

As part of the process of getting a gun license Glaisne Dec 2012 #62

Hubby and I have been talking about this for a few days. Bette Noir Dec 2012 #65

A few ideas clutter424 Dec 2012 #69

Now, post this on Facebook and say it came from Morgan Freeman, or Warren Buffett. ProgressoDem Dec 2012 #77

This is some of what I wrote to the President yesterday bkkyosemite Dec 2012 #79

This is moderate and well-reasonsed... Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #81

How about some technological proposals. backscatter712 Dec 2012 #85

This is excellent. russspeakeasy Dec 2012 #88

Not a bad idea at all! defacto7 Dec 2012 #89

No concealed or open carry. How can you know they aren't on their way to a massacre? on point Dec 2012 #90

How can I be sure bw3517 Dec 2012 #95

The difference is a hair trigger.... on point Dec 2012 #148

Pretty good shenmue Dec 2012 #100

All ammo must be inspected and counted by the police... 6502 Dec 2012 #103

I'm on board with each and every one. Barack_America Dec 2012 #104

what happens to a Dr. who okays someone who then goes 'postal'...? Mel Content Dec 2012 #105

My 2 cents worth... icarusxat Dec 2012 #107

No, no, no, no, and no UndahCovah Dec 2012 #109

"The idea of there being a massive "gun problem" in this country is a myth" Hugabear Dec 2012 #120

Its not NRA UndahCovah Dec 2012 #123

You don't think that we have a major gun problem in this country? Hugabear Dec 2012 #129

Statistics don't lie nt UndahCovah Dec 2012 #133

Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #135

So you're saying the Gun Control Act of 1968 was actually pretty effective? bullwinkle428 Dec 2012 #125

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Treat guns and ammo like dynamite. Require a federal license be obtained before sinkingfeeling Dec 2012 #115

I agree wizard.66 Dec 2012 #127

I don't disagree, but the devil's in the details Bake Dec 2012 #122

well your suggestion are indeed interesting especially the part about azurnoir Dec 2012 #128

Guns and ammo are already specially taxed. former9thward Dec 2012 #132

Then tax them more. Hugabear Dec 2012 #136

Eliminating private sales would be as successful as eliminating private car sales. former9thward Dec 2012 #141

Uh, private car sales billh58 Dec 2012 #149

Uh, title and registration are easily enforced by the police observing random traffic. former9thward Dec 2012 #150

Really? billh58 Dec 2012 #152

When all you have are insults you have lost the argument. former9thward Dec 2012 #161

I honestly did not billh58 Dec 2012 #162

K and also R. sibelian Dec 2012 #138

Instead of getting a doctor's approval, how about hedgehog Dec 2012 #139

That's a fantastic idea... Serve The Servants Dec 2012 #151

And what happens when the next guy blows up a school with a bomb? davidn3600 Dec 2012 #140

So.... we're just supposed to accept children being slaughtered by guns???? groundloop Dec 2012 #143

People will be slaughtered no matter what davidn3600 Dec 2012 #153

Then how do you billh58 Dec 2012 #154

This attitude drives me nuts. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #158

DUI = lose gun. Assault =- lose gun. underpants Dec 2012 #146

Assault conviction you do lose your gun already. Glassunion Dec 2012 #147

None of these ideas would have prevented Sandy Hook prius4me Dec 2012 #155

But maybe they'll prevent some future shooting incidents? Chorophyll Dec 2012 #159

+1000 billh58 Dec 2012 #160

Background and mental checks would need to cover everyone in the house, not just the owner Dems to Win Dec 2012 #164

I'd go one step further and make the gun licence as obtuse and annoying like the DMV. apnu Dec 2012 #170

Let's summarize Glaisne Dec 2012 #171