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134. YES - This!

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 12:50 PM

Dec 2012

I tried to "be good" and went for 18 years without anti-depressants and finally admitted that I had NOT "outgrown" my problem when my Dad passed away while my own husband was quite ill, and I knew I'd better get some HELP. I literally didn't know what I didn't know, that life didn't have to be non-stop anxiety and unhappiness. In the past 2 years I perform better at work, am far more involved in life activities, am around a great many more people, and I don't ponder suicide many times every day. I'm getting tired of having it inferred that I'm supposed to be some potential mindless killer because of a life saving medication.

AND my little niece has Aspergers, and she is so sweet she corrected me when I said, in jest, that the boy who pulled her hair in her Kindergarten class was a bad little boy; she told me "No, he just didn't know it hurt. He isn't bad." I don't want to hear anyone infer that precious baby is going to be dangerous!

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Does it strike anyone as important that the CT shooter had Aspergers and it is often treated with... [View all] Th1onein Dec 2012 OP

I am not sure I can take that as a fact... Kalidurga Dec 2012 #1

We don't know anything for sure, yet, that is true. Th1onein Dec 2012 #4

I have read some horror stories... Kalidurga Dec 2012 #14

Just stop. Stop right there. MineralMan Dec 2012 #24

Thank you. arthritisR_US Dec 2012 #34

This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ hedgehog Dec 2012 #52

Thank you. Rider3 Dec 2012 #53

Thank you. thucythucy Dec 2012 #101

Thank you for that get the red out Dec 2012 #131

"Don't destroy the placebo effect" tama Dec 2012 #157

Who are you quoting? I did not write that. MineralMan Dec 2012 #183

+100 Taverner Dec 2012 #170

Seriously. Posteritatis Dec 2012 #176

yes mattvermont Dec 2012 #201

+1 arely staircase Dec 2012 #202

+1000! Walk away Dec 2012 #226

Stop what? Eddie Haskell Dec 2012 #239

thank you MM nt steve2470 Dec 2012 #249

Well said. nt msanthrope Dec 2012 #270

I took sertraline for a few years when younger. GaYellowDawg Dec 2012 #118

+1 nt ProudProgressiveNow Dec 2012 #133

Really? I HAVE personal experience with them. So do several of my family members, all of whom had Th1onein Dec 2012 #138

So this adverse reaction you had, did it turn you into a mass murderer? thucythucy Dec 2012 #208

NO ONE is posting attacks on people with Asperger's or any other mental disability. Th1onein Dec 2012 #219

Go ahead and put me on ignore, thucythucy Dec 2012 #224

These problems prob. existed BEFORE they took the medications. Often they go off them cold turkey. Michigan Alum Dec 2012 #152

I've been on sertraline for over 5 years now. Terra Alta Dec 2012 #250

Columbine: Same thing. Former Sen. John Decamp brought stats to court SugarShack Dec 2012 #252

There have been some discussions/threads on the subject today(Monday.) elleng Dec 2012 #2

There is no information about that that has any credibility. MineralMan Dec 2012 #26

The 'uncle' cited in that article is a scammer csziggy Dec 2012 #160

i've seen no verifiable source that says this is the case, & lots of different reports of what he HiPointDem Dec 2012 #3

I know that the current Repuke and NRA line is AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #5

I think psychiatrists and MD's; anyone who writes a script for these kinds of meds..... Th1onein Dec 2012 #7

You want to see the poll I did for that snooper2 Dec 2012 #8

So if you are treated for depression your medical upaloopa Dec 2012 #33

If I suffer from a seizure disorder it is not arthritisR_US Dec 2012 #41

I glad you aren't given any authority to write laws upaloopa Dec 2012 #57

I want to save lives, guns only serve to take arthritisR_US Dec 2012 #68

Since when is it not kept private? loyalsister Dec 2012 #173

True. I would assume the records would be kept arthritisR_US Dec 2012 #189

Mandatory reporting for DL is only legal in a few states loyalsister Dec 2012 #190

I had not thought of that, I don't think they arthritisR_US Dec 2012 #191

One of the authors of the Americans with Disabilities Act, thucythucy Dec 2012 #206

Well, given the discrimination that could result arthritisR_US Dec 2012 #213

Absolutely. In Coelho's case, he was diagnosed thucythucy Dec 2012 #214

Depression is not psychosis womanofthehills Dec 2012 #55

The problem is we still don't understand the brain and are basically GreenPartyVoter Dec 2012 #58

Brave New World tama Dec 2012 #164

You can find information to support either side upaloopa Dec 2012 #60

No, but if you are treated with an SSRI, yes, it should be reported. Th1onein Dec 2012 #93

In 2008 SCOTUS reaffirmed it was OK to deny 2A rights to criminals and the mentally ill HereSince1628 Dec 2012 #107

Thank you. tosh Dec 2012 #122

That's crazy! I am on a medication for anxiety adigal Dec 2012 #124

No, of course not. But you shouldn't be able to buy a gun unless you are stable on these drugs. Th1onein Dec 2012 #139

That's crazy, I'm sorry. Even with anxiety, I'm more functional than most Americans, adigal Dec 2012 #145

YOU are just one person. Th1onein Dec 2012 #197

http://www.paxilprogress.org/forums/ green for victory Dec 2012 #262

Thank you, green for victory. These forums explain a lot about the effects of withdrawing from Th1onein Dec 2012 #266

Nope. politicat Dec 2012 #6

I could not agree with you more! Thank you. n/t arthritisR_US Dec 2012 #45

+1 nt ProudProgressiveNow Dec 2012 #136

Exactly... sendero Dec 2012 #242

No. Hard to think of anything less important. cthulu2016 Dec 2012 #9

Is this an OP or an agenda? Do you know that the killer was on medication, bluestate10 Dec 2012 #10

We don't know anything for sure yet. proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #11

NO! This is another red herring. Regardless of Adam Lanza's mental health, meds, riderinthestorm Dec 2012 #12

Because crazy people don't use knives, bombs, cars, etc to kill people? HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #80

Yeah. Because he killed 25 people with his teeth. GaYellowDawg Dec 2012 #119

Do you have a link for that claim? n/t Fumesucker Dec 2012 #13

Demonizing antidepressants is irresponsible. nt Comrade_McKenzie Dec 2012 #15

+999 trillion nt Jamastiene Dec 2012 #22

demonizing the shooters is preferable! green for victory Dec 2012 #65

"Demonizing the shooters"?? thucythucy Dec 2012 #102

Michael Moore disagrees green for victory Dec 2012 #111

You addressed nothing in my post thucythucy Dec 2012 #113

+1000 nt ProudProgressiveNow Dec 2012 #137

Prove it...nt SidDithers Dec 2012 #16

This Aspie takes Paxil and I couldn't hurt a fly. Odin2005 Dec 2012 #17

That's you, Odin2005. As many as five percent have adverse reactions involving violence to self or Th1onein Dec 2012 #18

Andrea Yates was high on Jesus. Odin2005 Dec 2012 #19

She might have been high on Jesus, but she was also on Prozac, and had just had her dosage changed Th1onein Dec 2012 #42

Takes a month or more for the drugs to take effect Confusious Dec 2012 #81

Please don't launch personal attacks, Confusious. It lowers the level of discourse on this forum. Th1onein Dec 2012 #87

You propound misinformation liberalhistorian Dec 2012 #109

So, let me get this straight....... Th1onein Dec 2012 #140

Nice way to deflect the fact liberalhistorian Dec 2012 #144

It's far from speculation when it's been reported as coming from an official involved in the Th1onein Dec 2012 #195

The medical examiner admitted liberalhistorian Dec 2012 #199

Why don't you do a search on this topic? I'm not talking about the medical examiner. Th1onein Dec 2012 #221

Just trying to figure out why you misrepresent things Confusious Dec 2012 #154

Let me refresh your memory, then.... Th1onein Dec 2012 #235

I suppose the PHD with a medical degree Confusious Dec 2012 #237

"your entire crusade is a personal attack against people who have mental illness" green for victory Dec 2012 #238

If you want to lock someone up on medication Confusious Dec 2012 #241

You forget one very important fact: THE DRUGS HAVE A BLACK BOX WARNING ON THEM. Th1onein Dec 2012 #248

You: Confusious Dec 2012 #251

If the safe administration of these drugs requires hospitalization, then yes, they must be Th1onein Dec 2012 #257

Changing your words? Confusious Dec 2012 #258

I haven't changed a thing. Th1onein Dec 2012 #261

You can't win or lose an argument against a fundy Confusious Dec 2012 #269

ANOTHER personal attack, Confusious! Calling me a fundie? Is Henry Waxman also a fundie? Th1onein Dec 2012 #271

Your entire OP is a personal attack thucythucy Dec 2012 #204

Wrong on all counts obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #150

Because 5% might be adversely affected, we should do away with the drugs and GreenPartyVoter Dec 2012 #25

GreenPartyVoter, 5% is 5% too many when they go on rampage killings. Th1onein Dec 2012 #44

And I gave you a suggestion on how to manage it, but how do we get it to happen? In the meantime not GreenPartyVoter Dec 2012 #51

We need to hospitalize people who are prescribed these drugs. Closely monitor them. Th1onein Dec 2012 #91

So I should be hospitalized if my Paxi dosage is ever changed? Odin2005 Dec 2012 #72

I think it's something we should consider, if not for everyone then at least under certain criteria, GreenPartyVoter Dec 2012 #95

Oh, yikes! Odin2005 Dec 2012 #97

*great big hugs back* GreenPartyVoter Dec 2012 #112

11% of Americans ove 12 years old take SSRIs. Walk away Dec 2012 #228

Hence the idea that certain criteria would need to be met. GreenPartyVoter Dec 2012 #233

EXACTLY, GreenPartyVoter! Th1onein Dec 2012 #267

Five percent do not go on "rampage killings." thucythucy Dec 2012 #207

I didn't realize the medications were the problem Adsos Letter Dec 2012 #27

The National Institutes of Health has done some work on the matter green for victory Dec 2012 #63

There is zero proof he was on any meds obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #151

And for every one incident you mention, there are millions who take Jamastiene Dec 2012 #28

Absolutely, there are many who experience no adverse reactions resulting in violent behavior. BUT Th1onein Dec 2012 #48

Yeah. With a gun. Zoeisright Dec 2012 #70

I don't find it hard to understand at all. But there are more weapons out there than just guns. Th1onein Dec 2012 #92

You are making shit up again!! adigal Dec 2012 #167

RIIIIIGHT! Because NO ONE who ever takes drugs does things that they later don't remember doing! Th1onein Dec 2012 #194

"As to proof that the Lanza boy [he was 20, BTW] had Asperger's thucythucy Dec 2012 #210

I'm not "smearing" ANYONE. I'm against these drugs because they are dangerous. Th1onein Dec 2012 #218

"I see no debunking..." thucythucy Dec 2012 #227

SSRIs affect memory? No. It's fair to say he was on them? NO! adigal Dec 2012 #253

Absolutely they can affect memory. Th1onein Dec 2012 #254

Suicidal tendencies and violent, destructive thoughts are behavioral side effects lunasun Dec 2012 #158

And SSRIs help a lot of people quit drinking adigal Dec 2012 #130

+1 nt ProudProgressiveNow Dec 2012 #166

Those folks probably drank soda too something should be done! upaloopa Dec 2012 #38

I have been on antidepressants since I was 20. And I am not violent. Jennicut Dec 2012 #67

disturbed people often seek help. they often take meds. mopinko Dec 2012 #85

Andrea Yates was mentally ill -- she had post partum psychosis obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #149

Andrea Yates was on an SSRI drug. Th1onein Jan 2013 #272

Thank you. AngryOldDem Dec 2012 #74

I could've sworn all DU lived in constant fear of your impending wrath Posteritatis Dec 2012 #174

Nope. ceile Dec 2012 #20

Please, please stop demonizing Asperger's and SSRIs. GreenPartyVoter Dec 2012 #21

Thank you. +999 trillion Jamastiene Dec 2012 #30

I am so glad they are helping! I wish mine did a bit more, but since I am bipolar 2 it's bit tricky GreenPartyVoter Dec 2012 #47

I am not demonizing Asperger's or any other mental illness or syndrome. Th1onein Dec 2012 #49

Then please edit your OP to reflect that, because right now it doesn't read that way to me at all. GreenPartyVoter Dec 2012 #61

I don't think that the OP needs any editing at all. Th1onein Dec 2012 #89

Yes, it does. It needs to liberalhistorian Dec 2012 #146

I'm sorry, but your information is incorrect. Th1onein Dec 2012 #196

Where is the official confirmation that he AS? liberalhistorian Dec 2012 #200

I doubt that anyone with a grain of critical thought could possibly take the OP seriously. Walk away Dec 2012 #229

Go look it up yourself. I'm not doing your homework for you. Th1onein Dec 2012 #234

Could have fooled me. AngryOldDem Dec 2012 #75

I am sorry you have been fooled, then. Th1onein Dec 2012 #90

It's too late now, but you should have edited the title to your post, then. AngryOldDem Dec 2012 #243

The title to the OP is not demonizing anyone. THERE IS NO SUBTEXT except to people who can't Th1onein Dec 2012 #244

You absolutely are demonizing people with Asperger's. thucythucy Dec 2012 #103

THANK YOU. liberalhistorian Dec 2012 #148

I'm so sorry to hear of the difficulties your family has encountered and continues to encounter. thucythucy Dec 2012 #184

Thanks. "Aspies" is a term liberalhistorian Dec 2012 #187

Thanks! thucythucy Dec 2012 #188

I just wanted to add that Neoma thucythucy Dec 2012 #185

The OP has been saying stupid things about SSRIs for years. Odin2005 Dec 2012 #73

Yeah, there seem to be a few people who feel similarly. GreenPartyVoter Dec 2012 #84

Thank you, thank you, thank you! liberalhistorian Dec 2012 #114

*hugs* I have a son that is PDD, but has a lot of Aspie-like features as one GreenPartyVoter Dec 2012 #126

Here's the deal: You don't know anything about this. MineralMan Dec 2012 #23

Thank you. n/t Jamastiene Dec 2012 #32

Not a problem at all. MineralMan Dec 2012 #39

No, here's the deal. If you are on an SSRI antidepressant, you are TWELVE times more likely to Th1onein Dec 2012 #50

NO! The "root of the violence" is the guns and our gun culture. nt riderinthestorm Dec 2012 #66

It's very irresponsible of you to speculate like this muriel_volestrangler Dec 2012 #71

SSRI's are never used to "treat" Asperger's. Odin2005 Dec 2012 #76

Please don't split hairs. SSRIs are often used to treat certain aspects of Aspergers. Th1onein Dec 2012 #88

I take Paxil for ANXIETY, not my Asperger's Odin2005 Dec 2012 #98

And your point? Th1onein Dec 2012 #141

But, even if true, that doesn't matter in this case liberalhistorian Dec 2012 #180

No one is scapegoating Asperger sufferers. This is very obvious. Th1onein Dec 2012 #192

The fact that multiple people on this thread thucythucy Dec 2012 #212

A lot of people insisted that the world was going to end yesterday, too, but that didn't make it Th1onein Dec 2012 #217

So now you're comparing every DU'er who has called you out on your irresponsible thucythucy Dec 2012 #225

The hell you're not scapegoating them, liberalhistorian Dec 2012 #215

You're wrong. Simply wrong. Th1onein Dec 2012 #255

I've never been told I could take medication NiteOwll Dec 2012 #104

Do a cross reference search on SSRI drugs and Asperger's. Th1onein Dec 2012 #143

Your sources don't prove your point. NiteOwll Dec 2012 #171

You very apparently don't understand the point that I was trying to make. In fact, you reiterate my Th1onein Dec 2012 #193

Excuse me, but will you PLEASE liberalhistorian Dec 2012 #198

Excuse me, but will YOU PLEASE Th1onein Dec 2012 #236

you said it! likesmountains 52 Dec 2012 #247

Jesus H. Christ, ONE MORE TIME. liberalhistorian Dec 2012 #116

That's about 12 times the bullshit I need to hear. GaYellowDawg Dec 2012 #120

I think you have it backwards adigal Dec 2012 #147

"The shooter in Connecticut..." There you go again. thucythucy Dec 2012 #211

I guess the fact that a high percentage of people on SSRIs are depressed to begin with has nothing.. Walk away Dec 2012 #231

This is a topic that everyone here has an opinion about upaloopa Dec 2012 #29

Frankly, I don't see that as being very decisive BlueStreak Dec 2012 #31

Something slipped through the cracks here and maybe everyone Cleita Dec 2012 #35

No. It strikes me as dim-witted scapegoating. n/t gkhouston Dec 2012 #36

Except it's not "often treated with antidepressants" Spider Jerusalem Dec 2012 #37

Yes, it is. Th1onein Dec 2012 #268

Would you prefer that people with mental illnesses received no treatment? Motown_Johnny Dec 2012 #40

Autism is not a mental illness. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2012 #46

It appears he had developed a mental illness in addition. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #82

They're damned if they do and damned if they don't with this crowd Posteritatis Dec 2012 #175

Sounds like Scientologist, anti-pychiatry bullshit to me...nt SidDithers Dec 2012 #43

There is apparently nothing whatsoever at present to suggest dipsydoodle Dec 2012 #54

They haven't found any evidence that he was on any medication. There was none in the home... nessa Dec 2012 #56

No. Warpy Dec 2012 #59

Your tinfoil's on too tight. backscatter712 Dec 2012 #62

Experts: No link between Asperger's, violence pinto Dec 2012 #64

No. Zoeisright Dec 2012 #69

why isn't the media at least asking the question? Isn't that their job? No Compromise Dec 2012 #77

They aren't asking because there's no evidence he was on any drugs. jeff47 Dec 2012 #179

So I finally read the complete list of symptoms for Aspergers, ecstatic Dec 2012 #78

We don't know what, if any, treatment he was getting. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #79

No, I'm an aspie who has taken antidepressants off and on DotGone Dec 2012 #83

I think your mind reading act needs a little work... Blue Idaho Dec 2012 #86

Fox News And The New York Times Abet Media Effort To Falsely Link Autism With CT Shooting Lone_Star_Dem Dec 2012 #94

Thank you. This has been one of my fears (there are so many) since this broke. Butterbean Dec 2012 #106

Thank you for this post. thucythucy Dec 2012 #232

There is at present nothing whatsoever to confirm he was on anything at all. dipsydoodle Dec 2012 #96

It's the fucking conspiracy theory that just won't die... SidDithers Dec 2012 #99

I've taught lots of kids with Aspergers. proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #100

Yet another thread goes straight to the trashcan. n/t MadrasT Dec 2012 #105

Even if true, correlation isn't causality Orangepeel Dec 2012 #108

Speaking as someone who has taken anti-depressants for many years... rox63 Dec 2012 #110

YES - This! get the red out Dec 2012 #134

None of us knows what he is diagnosed with, Marrah_G Dec 2012 #115

No. Starry Messenger Dec 2012 #117

You beat me to it, Starry obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #121

Thank you! liberalhistorian Dec 2012 #123

^^^ Hong Kong Cavalier Dec 2012 #129

It strikes me as important that we should be focusing on adequate mental health treatment Skidmore Dec 2012 #125

Does it strike anyone as important that there are a lot of red herrings being posted? kiva Dec 2012 #127

It's pretty amazing Aerows Dec 2012 #135

No. Not important. The easy accersability to guns and ammunition are the root cause. nt bowens43 Dec 2012 #128

Millions of people take antidepressants Aerows Dec 2012 #132

Since when are antidepressants used to "treat" Aspergers? TwilightGardener Dec 2012 #142

There is no proof he was an Aspie nor was on meds obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #153

Antidepressants do a lot more good than harm. The people taking them are often in crisis before Michigan Alum Dec 2012 #155

He was not under a psychiatrist's care so he was NOT on any antidepressants. Michigan Alum Dec 2012 #156

Nor is there any proof other than liberalhistorian Dec 2012 #159

One more time, I ask in the name of liberalhistorian Dec 2012 #161

I see it as irresponsibilty, either way. JohnnyLib2 Dec 2012 #162

Indeed. But then again, liberalhistorian Dec 2012 #163

Brave New World tama Dec 2012 #165

You've gotta be kidding me. liberalhistorian Dec 2012 #168

I was inclined to answer tama Dec 2012 #177

No. Hundreds of thousands of Americans are on antidepressants Taverner Dec 2012 #169

Well, this kind of black and white thinking liberalhistorian Dec 2012 #182

Nope, but what I do feel is striking... countryjake Dec 2012 #172

I wonder how many people the current "demonize the mentally ill + treatment" craze will kill. (nt) Posteritatis Dec 2012 #178

Excellent point. thucythucy Dec 2012 #223

Unrec. Pure conjecture and misleading. Owl Dec 2012 #181

I think it was the guns. /nt yardwork Dec 2012 #186

The immdiate issue is not about sulphurdunn Dec 2012 #203

I've taken antidepressants for years cherish44 Dec 2012 #205

excuse me, but where the fuck did you come up with his diagnosis and treatment, Dr.? magical thyme Dec 2012 #209

NO. freshwest Dec 2012 #216

I took them until ... Eddie Haskell Dec 2012 #220

Aspergers is NOT a condition that is treated with medication cherish44 Dec 2012 #222

+1 n/t duffyduff Dec 2012 #230

No. backscatter712 Dec 2012 #240

Not me. steve2470 Dec 2012 #245

In all liklihood, this guy was misdiagnosed. He was a Paranoid Schizophrenic. MichiganVote Dec 2012 #246

The Niagara Falls Reporter?... SidDithers Dec 2012 #256

How about the US GOV National Institutes of Health green for victory Dec 2012 #259

And that shows that Lanza was taking anti-depressants where?...nt SidDithers Dec 2012 #260

no time to waste now on those who refuse to see green for victory Dec 2012 #263

Does that link show Lanza was taking anti-depressants?... SidDithers Dec 2012 #264

It strikes me as important that he had a bushmaster with a high capacity magazine. Iggo Dec 2012 #265