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farminator3000

(2,117 posts) Thu Dec 20, 2012, 02:00 PM Dec 2012

Can anyone make a coherent argument that guns are LESS dangerous than cars? i doubt it... [View all]

Last edited Thu Dec 20, 2012, 03:55 PM - Edit history (3)

guns kill more people than cars in 10 states.

it will be all 50 states at some point in the near future...

edit:

by coherent argument i mean maybe something in an A+B=C format where-

A= some sort of fact or commonly held belief or obvious truth- links to at least semi-reputable sources encouraged!

B= same as A

C= a conclusion.

thank you, you know who you are...

edit 2:
i'd also like to make the point- i'm not asking if YOUR gun is more dangerous to you than YOUR car

of course, it is more likely YOU will get in a car crash than shoot yourself with your own gun

i mean "society as a whole" or "america" or whatever. or as a hole.

what happens on a daily basis with cars compared to the same for guns?

edit 3:
what's the difference between a guy shooting a bunch of kids and a drunk driver plowing into a school bus?
why does the school bus thing never happen?
why are 99% of the shooters men?

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Can anyone make a coherent argument that guns are LESS dangerous than cars? i doubt it... [View all] farminator3000 Dec 2012 OP

Currently a given gun in the US is less likely to kill or injure someone than a given car Recursion Dec 2012 #1

a chart farminator3000 Dec 2012 #8

The car deaths are evenly distributed among all cars Recursion Dec 2012 #11

what does that mean? farminator3000 Dec 2012 #35

what does that mean again? farminator3000 Dec 2012 #53

Most guns are never used, whereas most cars are driven every day. yardwork Dec 2012 #34

thank you! that makes sense! farminator3000 Dec 2012 #42

You are missing the point Aerows Dec 2012 #107

Not sure how you run over 20 kids in a classroom. tblue Dec 2012 #2

right. guns kill people, they are designed to. farminator3000 Dec 2012 #7

Precisely Aerows Dec 2012 #108

Is a load of bricks heavier than a football field is long? jberryhill Dec 2012 #3

yes farminator3000 Dec 2012 #4

The whole gun cars argument is ridicules on it's face. Guns are manufactured to kill. Cars are not. Lint Head Dec 2012 #5

you can stop at 'guns are made to kill and cars aren't" farminator3000 Dec 2012 #12

I don't understand your reply. Guns are manufactured to kill just like nuclear weapons. Lint Head Dec 2012 #18

sorry, were you agreeing with me? farminator3000 Dec 2012 #25

it isn't totally ridiculous farminator3000 Dec 2012 #55

I recomend this post. Lint Head Dec 2012 #58

Republicans are always saying "Cars kill people too" AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #6

So why not regulate guns as much car design and operation is regulated? aint_no_life_nowhere Dec 2012 #10

Again, this is a horrid comparison Lurker Deluxe Dec 2012 #16

If you haul that home-made vehicle on public streets aint_no_life_nowhere Dec 2012 #41

It is a horrible comparison Lurker Deluxe Dec 2012 #48

I've had to obtain moving permits and moving insurance every time aint_no_life_nowhere Dec 2012 #63

CA is not the rest of the US. beevul Dec 2012 #70

I am not a "gun libertarian" by any means Lurker Deluxe Dec 2012 #73

Sorry but I have yet to see a convincing argument that the comparison is foolish aint_no_life_nowhere Dec 2012 #76

We will have to agree to disagree. Lurker Deluxe Dec 2012 #77

Same here compadre aint_no_life_nowhere Dec 2012 #86

on point, sir! farminator3000 Dec 2012 #68

it just got more foolish- my cat hit a button and changed 'car' to 'gun' somehow in your thing here farminator3000 Dec 2012 #67

This makes no sense at all. Lurker Deluxe Dec 2012 #74

i most certainly am not talking about removing gun regs., i am saying regulate the crap out of them farminator3000 Dec 2012 #87

Exactly my point, cars are not regulated. Lurker Deluxe Dec 2012 #93

that is backwards. farminator3000 Dec 2012 #96

You are still wrong. Lurker Deluxe Dec 2012 #120

'you are wrong' is not the proper way to begin an argument farminator3000 Dec 2012 #125

if you want to regulate guns? farminator3000 Dec 2012 #89

Guns are out on the public streets and in public places treestar Dec 2012 #124

Hours of usage need to be factored in mainer Dec 2012 #9

huh? farminator3000 Dec 2012 #15

That's exactly the point. Cars used every day. Guns aren't. mainer Dec 2012 #17

wha? farminator3000 Dec 2012 #22

Firearm death rates have been pretty steady for many years. Vehicle death rates have fallen. slackmaster Dec 2012 #13

i'm not going to look up statistics to prove your point farminator3000 Dec 2012 #19

Firearms are weapons. They're supposed to be dangerous. slackmaster Dec 2012 #20

the argument being guns vs. cars / danger vs. safe farminator3000 Dec 2012 #24

Gun safety doesn't have to be the result of a law. slackmaster Dec 2012 #27

Kudos to you for being a responsible person. Toronto Dec 2012 #51

not driving drunk doesn't have to be a law, either. but it should farminator3000 Dec 2012 #71

The law doesn't prevent anything from happening. slackmaster Dec 2012 #75

there are millions of people who don't have that third beer at the bar farminator3000 Dec 2012 #79

"just because you are a responsible gun owner, you have no idea about the other 99,999,999." Rex Dec 2012 #119

so they should be into smart guns if they are responsible? right? farminator3000 Dec 2012 #128

I agree. Most car deaths are unintentional, most gun deaths are intentional. JaneyVee Dec 2012 #14

The gun kill-rate is thousands of times more than cars bongbong Dec 2012 #21

i wonder why nobody is arguing with you? farminator3000 Dec 2012 #80

It might indeed be all 50 states soon. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #23

actually, suicide is the leading cause of gun death farminator3000 Dec 2012 #29

True. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #30

Of course guns are more dangerous. rrneck Dec 2012 #26

people who are bad? farminator3000 Dec 2012 #28

Well, I just hate statistics, so I won't ask for any. rrneck Dec 2012 #31

probably doesn't count farminator3000 Dec 2012 #32

Who? rrneck Dec 2012 #36

huh? farminator3000 Dec 2012 #46

Here are some graphics you might find interesting. rrneck Dec 2012 #49

I think you fail to interpret the graphs you interpret... Toronto Dec 2012 #54

That second graphic specifies 'leaners' to each party. rrneck Dec 2012 #59

not really. farminator3000 Dec 2012 #57

Look at it like this. rrneck Dec 2012 #62

nope. don't get it. farminator3000 Dec 2012 #65

Political opinions don't change physics. rrneck Dec 2012 #66

political opinions also don't change reality in general. you are not clairvoyant. things don't farminator3000 Dec 2012 #69

Clinton got reelected. Tom Foley didn't. rrneck Dec 2012 #72

how long will it take you to verify this? farminator3000 Dec 2012 #81

Well, lets see... rrneck Dec 2012 #95

stop wasting my and your time, please farminator3000 Dec 2012 #98

There are no simple answers. rrneck Dec 2012 #99

Silly troll....very few deaths caused by firearms are purely accidental, whereas.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #33

i don't know what you are talking about, slappy, at least i make sense farminator3000 Dec 2012 #39

My post was in plain English....I should have guessed a troll wouldn't understand it. nt. OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #40

technically, by repeating yourself and saying nothing about what i said, YOU ARE THE TROLL, yes? farminator3000 Dec 2012 #43

Your original OP was a waste of time from your very first word. You have no point to make.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #45

this is my point- farminator3000 Dec 2012 #47

also, another point farminator3000 Dec 2012 #50

It would be very nice Toronto Dec 2012 #56

or if the word troll could be changed automatically by the server to farminator3000 Dec 2012 #61

You don't register something by degree of harm it does, do you? Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #37

The difference between the items you list Toronto Dec 2012 #60

Guns are regulated for safety, as well. Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #104

Sorry you are a target of criminals- Toronto Dec 2012 #105

I am a woman who lives alone, a common target of criminals. Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #106

I can see why you would keep a weapon Toronto Dec 2012 #109

I live in Dallas, not an esp. crime ridden city. Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #121

toronto is right farminator3000 Dec 2012 #83

This is a textbook false equivalency. baldguy Dec 2012 #38

that really is quite vague farminator3000 Dec 2012 #110

gosh H2O Man Dec 2012 #44

Homicides have dropped 40% in the last 20 years. krispos42 Dec 2012 #52

got a link? farminator3000 Dec 2012 #64

You have to do two separate queries at WISQARS, but it does confirm krispos423's claim slackmaster Dec 2012 #88

well, i got 18.4% farminator3000 Dec 2012 #92

1991 (a peak year) - 10.38 per 100,000. 2010 (most recent year available) - 5.29 slackmaster Dec 2012 #94

so what does that mean then? farminator3000 Dec 2012 #97

That means that you are less likely to be a victim of homicide now than you were 20 years ago slackmaster Dec 2012 #100

so guns are less dangerous than they were 20 years ago? or people are? farminator3000 Dec 2012 #112

No, there is a lower percentage of murderous people in the population than there was 20 years ago slackmaster Dec 2012 #113

great. less get murdered. farminator3000 Dec 2012 #115

are you actually human? farminator3000 Dec 2012 #116

Ah, a pleasant surprise on the car deaths. krispos42 Dec 2012 #103

Global warming. Cars. Oil. (nt) The Straight Story Dec 2012 #78

that is really quite a story, thanks! farminator3000 Dec 2012 #85

The question misses the point. wickerwoman Dec 2012 #82

so what is the answer? farminator3000 Dec 2012 #84

Yes. wickerwoman Dec 2012 #91

Guns kill people BY DESIGN joeunderdog Dec 2012 #90

i kind of like the sound of an Offensive Weapons Ban farminator3000 Dec 2012 #111

Not really, but I can prove beyond any doubt that cars are more useful in everyday life for the JDPriestly Dec 2012 #101

Regardless of what is more dangerous... Sancho Dec 2012 #102

Well, cars are meant to get us NashvilleLefty Dec 2012 #114

The "gun/car" argument .... etherealtruth Dec 2012 #122

looks like guns have the upper hand farminator3000 Dec 2012 #117

For a coherent argument, a coherent question or premise is needed... yawnmaster Dec 2012 #118

That's not the real question treestar Dec 2012 #123

Until any soldier of any nation is issued a Ford Fusion instead of a firearm, this line of argument Ikonoklast Dec 2012 #126

the purpose of a gun is too shoot something. samsingh Dec 2012 #127