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beevul

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41. In the interest of accuracy...

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 04:09 PM

Dec 2012

"5. The Mall shooting in Ogden Utah and the Church shooting in Aurora, Colorado were stopped by people with weapons, but they were off duty police officers with training to deal with this sort of thing, and who were fulfilling their duty to the fullest."

The church shooting was stopped by a woman who was a police officer some ten years prior, not an "off duty" police officer.

In that particular case, yes, the shooting WAS stopped by the intervention of an armed non-leo, and its a good thing, because if it hadn't been, it may have ended as the worst mass shoting in the history otf the world:

(note: the shooter at that church had over a thousand rounds on him when he died)

"I'm coming for EVERYONE soon and I WILL be armed to the @#%$ teeth and I WILL shoot to kill. Feel no remorse, no sense of shame, I don't care if I live or die in the shoot-out. All I want to do is kill and injure as many of you as I can especially Christians who are to blame for most of the problems in the world."

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_7686929

Its pretty much impossible to deny in this case, that an armed citizen stopped a gun massacre in progress.

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