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In reply to the discussion: Eloquent stomping of a dumbass wrong pro-gun message that went viral [View all]GreenStormCloud
(12,072 posts)I have detail checked on one set set of those numbers and found them to be cooked. The 485 is extremely misleading.
First they have been accumulating that total since 2007. What is important is the annual rate, not the grand total. However if you will look at the detail page on VPC's website you will find that exactly 100 of those are pure suicides. By pure suicides I mean that the person killed no one but themselves. We don't even know the methods of those suicides, whether they were by overdoses or by guns. VPC includes them to inflate the number. So that brings us down to 385. Since it took five years to compile that number, it would annualize to 77.
There are about eight to ten million people with CCW in the country. If we use the lower number of eight million CCWers then we get an annual rate of about one murder per 100,000 CCWers. According to the FBI, the annual murder rate for the entire country is 4.7/100,000. So CCWers are far safer to be around than an average person.
Texqs publish annual statistics on their CCW population (Called CHL in Texas) http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/rsd/chl/reports/convrates.htm
That gives the number of CHLers convicted of violent offenses, broken down by the offense. We have a bit over 500K CHLers and average about five CHL murders per year, which is about one per 100,000 CHLers, way below the national or the state murder rate.
With any group as large as over eight million, there will be some who do wrong. But our percentage of wrongdoers is far less than the national average.