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Ms. Toad

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43. Correct. Which is why it makes it much harder and expensive to fight him going forward.
Fri Jun 27, 2025, 04:50 PM
Jun 2025

BUT - under all existing laws and executive orders, the only threat to birthright citizenship as it has always been interpreted is to infants born after February 19, 2020.

That is why your assertions that the court ruled on the substantive question of birthright citizenship is utter nonsense.

They ruled on whether nationwide injunctions can be issued - which, on their face, have NOTHING to do with birthright citizenship. The only impact this decision has on citizenship is on infants born after February 19, 2020 in the states which have not yet issued injunctions. Until injunctions are issued in those states, the US is prohibited from issuing citizenship documents to those infants.

Those infants in states that have issued injunctions are safe until an appellate court reverses the injunction.

The citizenship of those born before February 19, 2020 is not impacted one iota by this ruling, nor could it have been because (1) the issue was only about the validity of injunctions and (2) the underlying issue was only about certain people born after February 19, 2020.

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They are going to build gulags by the dozens. rubbersole Jun 2025 #1
The Court gave 30 days to seek relief in other jurisdictions Sympthsical Jun 2025 #2
And a Constitutional Right edhopper Jun 2025 #4
Exactly-- it's fucking disgraceful, disgusting, depressiing, evil, etc LymphocyteLover Jun 2025 #23
Potentially, that sets up an internal migration wave NickB79 Jun 2025 #48
I think people misunderstand the executive order Sympthsical Jun 2025 #57
I was thinking more along the lines of parents moving to protect their children NickB79 Jun 2025 #60
Oh sure, absolutely Sympthsical Jun 2025 #61
it's bullshit though!!! LymphocyteLover Jun 2025 #54
There's one positive angle, though. It discourages forum-shopping for judges like Kacsmaryk Ocelot II Jun 2025 #3
Only if you apply logic and precedent newdeal2 Jun 2025 #5
You know way more about legal stuff than I so I defer to your wisdom as always, but I have to wonder AZJonnie Jun 2025 #6
Thats correct, anytime theres a dispute between rulings, Volaris Jun 2025 #7
Thomas has already said he wants to do that. Ocelot II Jun 2025 #8
Oh, well see Loving is different. The principal is the same yes, Volaris Jun 2025 #26
IANAL, but does this apply retroactively to other nationwide injunctions Arazi Jun 2025 #18
This means Trump has an even tighter grip on John Roberts Attilatheblond Jun 2025 #9
Eek! Wonder how this will apply to adoptions? Arazi Jun 2025 #19
As things are going at present, have to consider it will be wielded like a weapon Attilatheblond Jun 2025 #27
He adopted a boy and a girl Celerity Jun 2025 #20
Irish woman adopeted the kids, as required by Irish law at the time. Then she took them to South American country Attilatheblond Jun 2025 #28
District courts can still pass lkmited injunctions for specific cases. SSJVegeta Jun 2025 #10
Constitutional rights edhopper Jun 2025 #11
Well, they're more like regional privileges now 0rganism Jun 2025 #12
Ya.. SSJVegeta Jun 2025 #13
Ya SSJVegeta Jun 2025 #14
It is a stunning new power they gave to Trump now Johnny2X2X Jun 2025 #15
Thinking it's time to park the smart phone and only carry a dumb phone if necessary Attilatheblond Jun 2025 #29
NO. Read the executive order. Ms. Toad Jun 2025 #33
I think the six conservatives mountain grammy Jun 2025 #16
I expect red states like mine will take every inch of this rope 2 Meow Momma Jun 2025 #17
You are right in your thinking. edhopper Jun 2025 #21
You aren't wrong JustAnotherGen Jun 2025 #25
My parents immigrated to the U.S. in 1949 Wicked Blue Jun 2025 #22
were they undocumented or have temporary VISA status when you were born? LymphocyteLover Jun 2025 #24
This will not impact your son. Ms. Toad Jun 2025 #32
No, they were legal, but with this evil crew in charge Wicked Blue Jun 2025 #38
yes, that is my great fear LymphocyteLover Jun 2025 #52
No. Not unless you were born February 19 or later this year - Ms. Toad Jun 2025 #31
No. They did not. Ms. Toad Jun 2025 #30
You are naive to think so edhopper Jun 2025 #34
That had nothing to do with the executive order on birthright citizenship, or the court's decision. Ms. Toad Jun 2025 #35
My claim is that edhopper Jun 2025 #36
Wrong. Ms. Toad Jun 2025 #40
They said going forward edhopper Jun 2025 #41
Correct. Which is why it makes it much harder and expensive to fight him going forward. Ms. Toad Jun 2025 #43
Because after this ruling edhopper Jun 2025 #44
Extremely unlikely. Ms. Toad Jun 2025 #46
Like anybody ICE deems illegal edhopper Jun 2025 #47
That's not careful legal strategy from the Project 25 folks. Ms. Toad Jun 2025 #51
Doesn't matter does it edhopper Jun 2025 #53
It may well be - or at least the birthright citizenship narrowly interpreted. Ms. Toad Jun 2025 #56
I am sorry edhopper Jun 2025 #49
I don't believe you've heard anything unrealistic about what he or the courts would do from me. Ms. Toad Jun 2025 #55
No, not from you edhopper Jun 2025 #58
Ms Toad, you clearly are unaware that the role of the judiciary Seeking Serenity Jun 2025 #39
Thanks OC375 Jun 2025 #59
A couple of Class Action lawsuits have already been filed to get around this ruling LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2025 #37
SCOTUS still has to rule on these edhopper Jun 2025 #42
And how far back do you have to go? Bettie Jun 2025 #45
Playing the long game, going beyond the foreseeable future... Efilroft Sul Jun 2025 #50
They didn't specifically answer the underlying question - birthright citizenship karynnj Jun 2025 #62
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