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jcmaine72

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56. December 15, 1791

Reply to Beastly Boy (Reply #49)

Mon Jun 30, 2025, 11:53 AM

Jun 2025

Since the Bill of Rights was ratified 233 years ago.

Why? Because one person's hate speech is another's free speech.

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Zohran Mamdani says mayors shouldn't 'police speech' when asked to condemn 'globalize the intifada' slogan [View all] David__77 Jun 2025 OP

I liked his interview. He stuck to his values. Keep fighting!! OrlandoDem2 Jun 2025 #1

Absolutely Blue Full Moon Jun 2025 #70

Gonna be an interesting 4 months Polybius Jun 2025 #2

I like this guy gay texan Jun 2025 #3

This seems like a very reasonable stance. yardwork Jun 2025 #4

And once they squash Bettie Jun 2025 #5

It's the only one I'd like to see gone! yardwork Jun 2025 #6

If not gone, heavily Bettie Jun 2025 #7

He could have said "that's shitty speech, but it's still free speech" Polybius Jun 2025 #73

He could have, and Kamala Harris could have said she'd defund Israel. yardwork Jul 2025 #79

When a mayoral candidate uses incendiary rhetoric, it is not just a matter of free speech. It's a matter of Beastly Boy Jun 2025 #8

He hasn't used the phrase though. yardwork Jun 2025 #9

He excused this incendiary phrase, embraced it and has no intention to "policce" it Beastly Boy Jun 2025 #13

Remember how angry we are with pro-Palestinian voters who didn't support Harris. yardwork Jun 2025 #14

Mamdani won the primary. I wish progressives like him would do as well in general elections Beastly Boy Jun 2025 #18

He did nothing of the sort. Whenever that phrase has been brought up SSJVegeta Jun 2025 #26

He did, and he still does. Beastly Boy Jun 2025 #34

First you said he embraced it. Now you say he refused to aknowledge it SSJVegeta Jun 2025 #37

He refused to acknowledge it as hate speech. Beastly Boy Jun 2025 #48

He said he didn't use and did not condone it, karynnj Jun 2025 #32

He didn't even acknowledge it as hate speech. Beastly Boy Jun 2025 #50

Easy for you, yes Easy for someone with a more nuanced definition, not so easy karynnj Jun 2025 #58

What is so nuanced about hate speech? Beastly Boy Jun 2025 #62

You are right, and I think there is a reason for his invasivness lostincalifornia Jun 2025 #53

You claimed Z used the phrase, he didn't uponit7771 Jun 2025 #65

I claimed he used incendiary rhetoric. Beastly Boy Jun 2025 #68

What did Mamdani say that is incendiary? David__77 Jun 2025 #10

He is defending an incendiary phrase which he refuses to admit is incendiary. Beastly Boy Jun 2025 #11

What incendiary rhetoric is he using? David__77 Jun 2025 #16

He is claiming the right to define phrases like "globalize the intifada" contrary to its prevailing incendiary meaning. Beastly Boy Jun 2025 #19

How can he disavow something he never said? Phoenix61 Jun 2025 #28

It's easy Beastly Boy Jun 2025 #41

Did he use that incendiary rhetoric? As far as I know he didn't. Autumn Jun 2025 #17

If one were to overtly permit the use of a slur, one would be considered a bigot whether one uses it himself or not. Beastly Boy Jun 2025 #20

His name is Mamdani. As for "permit"? Ridiculoua. No one is responsible Autumn Jun 2025 #21

Mamdani is no exception. Beastly Boy Jun 2025 #22

He's not overlooking anything. He feels that the role of government, Autumn Jun 2025 #23

He is being told that the speech he refuses to police is impermissible. Beastly Boy Jun 2025 #24

As soon as you can find a way that he can force people to do what you want him to do Autumn Jun 2025 #25

I want him to condemn incendiary speech Beastly Boy Jun 2025 #30

So you've gone from he needs to control what people say, to him acknowledging Autumn Jun 2025 #38

I said that, as a government official, it is his responsibility to police hate speech Beastly Boy Jun 2025 #51

You can want him to satisfy your needs but it's not his job to satisfy you. Autumn Jun 2025 #54

As a government official, he not only has power, but an obligation to stop other people's hate speech. Beastly Boy Jun 2025 #63

Impermissible speech? Really? Who gets to decide that. nt Phoenix61 Jun 2025 #29

The perpetually offended apparently jcmaine72 Jun 2025 #33

Hate speech is permissible? Since when? Beastly Boy Jun 2025 #49

December 15, 1791 jcmaine72 Jun 2025 #56

As an American, I prefer that government not tell me what I can and can not say. Autumn Jun 2025 #31

As an Anerican, I prefer to not be harrassed by hate speech. Beastly Boy Jun 2025 #42

As a minority I put on my big girl panties and deal with it. Sticks and stones Autumn Jun 2025 #43

As a minority, I do the same thing. Hence my responses. Beastly Boy Jun 2025 #52

So you'd be ok mcar Jun 2025 #55

Of course no. No intelligent person would be okay with that. Autumn Jun 2025 #59

Oh ok mcar Jun 2025 #60

What happens when those words Mossfern Jun 2025 #57

You arrest and vigorously prosecute the violent one(s) Seeking Serenity Jun 2025 #71

Mamdani NEVER said "globalize the intifada!" markpkessinger Jun 2025 #36

In Arabic the word "intifada" means struggle. Autumn Jun 2025 #40

He excused this incendiary phrase, embraced it and has no intention to abandon it Beastly Boy Jun 2025 #12

Mayors set examples Mossfern Jun 2025 #15

Can you imagine mcar Jun 2025 #27

There seems to be a lot of double standards KambreaPratt Jun 2025 #35

Seems so mcar Jun 2025 #46

First time in politics? Seeking Serenity Jun 2025 #72

Welcome to DU LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2025 #80

I had to chuckle (above) with the etymology explanation of why it's acceptable... Oopsie Daisy Jun 2025 #44

I recall how some of these same Mamdani apologists mcar Jun 2025 #47

Now, apparently some of those folks are turning on him (see vid below) bc he said PunkinPi Jun 2025 #61

Wow Polybius Jun 2025 #75

This is a good point, the translation isn't particularly relevant fujiyamasan Jul 2025 #81

This! Polybius Jun 2025 #74

Personally I ask that my preferred politicians support Nanjeanne Jun 2025 #39

What's important to ask politicians, is "what are they going to actually do related to what they just said." RoeVWade Jun 2025 #45

What controversial thing did Mamdani say exactly? AloeVera Jun 2025 #64

Too many on the left are going harder after Mamdani than Trump uponit7771 Jun 2025 #66

"The left"? AloeVera Jun 2025 #67

I'm stating what I think is a general principle, i.e., if someone thinks it's controversial that might involve some RoeVWade Jul 2025 #78

K&R spanone Jun 2025 #69

This is going to bite him in the ass. RandySF Jun 2025 #76

Did he ever say that? bamagal62 Jun 2025 #77