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WSHazel

(755 posts)
126. Good thoughts
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 08:48 AM
Jul 2025

I disagree with most of it, but those are good thoughts.

Freedom of choice is capitalism. The three legs of the classical liberalism stool are democracy, Rule of Law, and capitalism. You can't have one of those without the other two. Capitalism is freedom of choice for how you will live your work life. It doesn't guarantee outcomes, but it does provide options.

For about 1200 years, from 300 AD, when Emperor Constantine imposed a caste system on the Roman Empire, to about 1500, when the renaissance reached northern Europe, most of humanity in the West lived as virtual property, with no agency over any part of their lives. Then the early sprouts of capitalism started to take hold in the lower Rhine, setting off the Reformation, early forms of democracy, and taking the first major shots at the brutal and barbaric Feudal system. Capitalism gave democracy and individual rights the power to stand up to embedded Feudal systems that had lasted for over 1,000 years. As the West rapidly evolved from a backwater of the world into global powers, other countries such as Japan adopted similar policies, with incredible success. Japan overthrew a brutal Shogunate that had ruled for 250 years, and transformed a Feudal system that dated back over 2,000 years, and became a world power within 40 years as a result. Even communist China finally acknowledged under Deng that their system didn't work.

The quality of life in countries that have some kind of capitalist economy is much higher than it is in countries that don't. As importantly, liberal societies win.

Your complaints about income inequality are valid, but those are also the easiest to solve. Just raise taxes. I would actually do it in coordination with the other developed countries to make jurisdiction shopping more difficult, but raising taxes on the rich is a pretty simple solution that works within a wide range. I would return to the Bush Sr./Clinton tax rates of the 90's. Taxes were high in the 90's, but the economy was very strong and the government ran a budget surplus. Art and culture were flourishing, the world was at peace, and median incomes were rising quickly. Seems like a pretty good deal to me.

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Because Socialism can't be democratic or because socialism compels the same values Democrats generaly stand for? ... marble falls Jun 2025 #1
As is often said..."keep it simple, stu_id." Just run as a Democrat, fight for policies that... brush Jun 2025 #65
There's no difference. The Rs will label and have already labeled Democrats as KPN Jun 2025 #80
President Truman said this in 1952 yellowdogintexas Jun 2025 #83
Why make it easy for them by actually calling ourself a socialist? Not smart. brush Jun 2025 #93
He didn't call himself a socialist. KPN Jun 2025 #123
Amen. Let's stop worrying about what they will say Redleg Jun 2025 #120
Me too. If I thought it could work, I'd go for all of us sharing wealth equally. LAS14 Jun 2025 #68
Socialism is not about equaly sharing everything, it's about giving everyone a chance and taking care of ... marble falls Jun 2025 #89
I know that. I'd go further. Like a religious order. nt LAS14 Jun 2025 #114
If democratic socialism Emile Jun 2025 #2
Exactly mvd Jun 2025 #9
Hey, you! Heidi Jun 2025 #30
Hey! mvd Jun 2025 #50
Anytime there are government employees The Wizard Jun 2025 #21
None of those things are socialist WSHazel Jun 2025 #81
Capitalism is a failure angrychair Jun 2025 #95
That is a strawman WSHazel Jun 2025 #96
I would offer angrychair Jun 2025 #97
That is not accurate WSHazel Jun 2025 #111
With respect, I must disagree. OldBaldy1701E Jul 2025 #125
Good thoughts WSHazel Jul 2025 #126
"Art and culture were flourishing..." OldBaldy1701E Jul 2025 #129
This is why I find The Nordic Countries so interesting... electric_blue68 Jun 2025 #94
What's a socialist? n/t leftstreet Jun 2025 #3
That's a very good question, isn't it? -misanthroptimist Jun 2025 #5
Few if any people in the US are socialists. Lonestarblue Jun 2025 #14
This just-barely-a-Boomer has moved on, too. Heidi Jun 2025 #46
you are describing communism. n/t SonOfNebanaube Jun 2025 #51
No. The mass nationalization of industries by the UK Atlee government speak easy Jun 2025 #61
...free bus service ... ZDU Jun 2025 #59
Bet I can turn you into a "socialist" in just one thread! -misanthroptimist Jun 2025 #4
n/t Mike Nelson Jun 2025 #6
I'm a Democratic Socialist, not a Democrat. Autumn Jun 2025 #7
Im (gasp) both! SSJVegeta Jun 2025 #11
Is this declaration partisan or ideological? SSJVegeta Jun 2025 #8
Seems this declaration is mostly "Look at meeee!" Heidi Jun 2025 #47
I just wanna win. In It to Win It Jun 2025 #10
The "New Deal"and the "Better Deal" is Social Democracy. haele Jun 2025 #12
Judging the reactions, FDR would get trashed here AStern Jun 2025 #23
Criticism is good and frankly healthy. haele Jun 2025 #38
Well you're wrong, emulatorloo Jun 2025 #41
Then why the negativity toward Mamdani? AStern Jun 2025 #73
Most gross negativity is from deranged MAGA, not Democrats or DU'ers. A lot of Democrats have congratulated him. emulatorloo Jun 2025 #75
There are many here that are upset about it AStern Jun 2025 #76
Thank you emulatorloo Jun 2025 #82
I've seen more negativity here toward Mamdani... regnaD kciN Jun 2025 #86
You must have a sprinkle of Socialism to keep Capitalism Emile Jun 2025 #13
Yes, sounds a lot like FDR-type thinkin... smart!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2025 #101
That's nice, dear. Scrivener7 Jun 2025 #15
Well, are you a vegetarian? David__77 Jun 2025 #16
The longer I live the more I prefer Democratic Socialism. The corrupt Capitalistic walkingman Jun 2025 #17
I remember back when MSNBC had numerous progressive anchors, gab13by13 Jun 2025 #20
I don't give a fuck. demmiblue Jun 2025 #18
labels are boring purple_haze Jun 2025 #19
Well, I'm not a fucking Republican. hamsterjill Jun 2025 #22
I believe in social democratic policies. Just never thought of making an OP stating that. N/t Nanjeanne Jun 2025 #24
Me too, which is why I'm here Polybius Jun 2025 #25
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2025 #34
You're conflating a political party (our Democratic Party) w/ a multi-flavoured economic/political philosophy(socialism) Celerity Jul 2025 #127
I take it, then, you are against: Oneironaut Jun 2025 #26
As you know, those are all mainstream Democratic positions. emulatorloo Jun 2025 #40
And socialist targets as well. (nt) Heidi Jun 2025 #43
Mainstream, AND socialist! Oneironaut Jun 2025 #58
What would make you make those assumptions? Are those things copyrighted by the Socialist Party? Wonder Why Jun 2025 #54
Those things are not socialism. Ocelot II Jun 2025 #60
I think that's a fair point, actually. Oneironaut Jun 2025 #70
Those things are all socialism. Emile Jun 2025 #98
Good for you. Iggo Jun 2025 #27
What's a Democrat? AStern Jun 2025 #28
I'm a Socialist & a Democrat TacosUberAlles Jun 2025 #29
I woke up with this question in my head. 1WorldHope Jun 2025 #31
Read the room, hon. Heidi Jun 2025 #32
I'm both. ananda Jun 2025 #33
That's a strange flex. Jirel Jun 2025 #35
Hahahahahaha! Heidi Jun 2025 #44
I'm a Democrat and a Socialist. I know Democrats who are vegetarians. And Socialists who are carpenters. Ping Tung Jun 2025 #36
Every representative government has elements of socialism in it. patphil Jun 2025 #37
I'm a socialist who votes D bif Jun 2025 #39
Hear, HEAR ZDU Jun 2025 #55
We don't just need a Bigger economy, we need a Better economy thought crime Jun 2025 #42
Have to be to post here Arazi Jun 2025 #45
Same here LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2025 #48
By the People, For the People Troth_Aint_Truth Jun 2025 #49
Gosh. H2O Man Jun 2025 #52
As Am I OC375 Jun 2025 #53
So, if you had to choose between a Republican and a Democratic socialist, what would you do? 1WorldHope Jun 2025 #57
"Democratic Socialist" is not a ballot-line party, so it's impossible to vote for a Democratic Socialist candidate. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2025 #85
Would you prefer a medal, or simply applause? niyad Jun 2025 #56
We're all semi-socialist, every time we walk on a sidewalk or drive on a public road. Dan Jun 2025 #62
I'm a social democrat and a Democratic Party member (and literally a Social Democratic Party member here in Sweden, plus Celerity Jun 2025 #63
What's a Social Democrat??? SocialDemocrat61 Jun 2025 #100
Social democracy, especially the Nordic Model like we have here in Sweden. Celerity Jun 2025 #105
But do they throw good parties? SocialDemocrat61 Jun 2025 #106
This is going to be one of the questions fujiyamasan Jun 2025 #64
I'm a fellow traveler with the Democratic Party mike_c Jun 2025 #66
As I recall, MLK Jr. was called a socialist too... B.See Jun 2025 #67
MLK Jr was very much in the mode of Mamdani - democratic socialist. As far back as his Nanjeanne Jun 2025 #74
I know this. The point I'm making is B.See Jun 2025 #92
European Democratic Socialists are not Marxists... AntiFascist Jun 2025 #69
If you like having a fire department, snot Jun 2025 #71
Congrats? choie Jun 2025 #72
I'm a.member to a rural electric co-op. Yes it's socialism. Emile Jun 2025 #77
I'm a Democrat and a Socialist. BlueTsunami2018 Jun 2025 #78
Ditto jcmaine72 Jun 2025 #91
You are a lot more socialist than you realize. bob4460 Jun 2025 #79
What Life Means to Me Cirsium Jun 2025 #84
Refuse to accept Social Security! H2O Man Jun 2025 #87
We really about to do it vanessa_ca Jun 2025 #88
I'm a Democrat AZProgressive Jun 2025 #90
I vote for the Democratic nominees Torchlight Jun 2025 #99
Let's see if that applies to everyone else by their voting for Mamdani for mayor as the duly elected Democratic nominee. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2025 #102
I figure there may be a few stirring the pot, but for the most part, Torchlight Jun 2025 #103
Thank you for this self-congratulatory thread. Heidi Jun 2025 #104
You're against Social Security? baddie Jun 2025 #107
It is not socialism. SS & Medicare are insurance programs that workers and employers pay into. Jacson6 Jun 2025 #108
Sorry! baddie Jun 2025 #110
We here in the Nordics (I live in Sweden) are NOT democratic socialist nation states. Celerity Jul 2025 #133
You seem to think that your dictionary... Chemical Bill Jul 2025 #124
Merriam Webster Dictionary: Socialism Jacson6 Jul 2025 #128
This message was self-deleted by its author Chemical Bill Jul 2025 #131
I apologize. Chemical Bill Jul 2025 #134
Social Security is socialism. Thanks for pointing Emile Jun 2025 #109
I paid into those programs for my entire working life mcar Jun 2025 #119
This message was self-deleted by its author Emile Jun 2025 #121
That's how democratic socialism works. Emile Jun 2025 #122
I'm a Democrat and a Socialist, and proud of being both obamanut2012 Jun 2025 #112
I care more about policies than I do about labels n/t markpkessinger Jun 2025 #113
Get over the scare word. If you say you are a democrat you will be called a socialist. Blue Full Moon Jun 2025 #115
I am a Democrat and a Socialist nt JanMichael Jun 2025 #116
"I'm a Democrat and not a socialist." LudwigPastorius Jun 2025 #117
hmmm markie Jun 2025 #118
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