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45. Does bring about a good question... Clinton vs Obama

Tue Jul 1, 2025, 07:16 PM

Jul 2025

The 90's were still pretty magical... pre 9-11, better music, better cinema... last POTUS to run a surplus

Clinton was cool... don't forget annual surplus.

Obama was post 9-11, post Shrub...

But the best speaker in decades, I NEVER went to sleep at night worrying what would happen globally overnight... smooth hand at the helm.

Cool as the other side of the pillow...

Those are my best two POTUS in memory... I was too young to remember anything about LBJ.

If nostalgia wins... I'd go Clinton just because it was such an awesome decade in my life.

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Joe Biden is NOT 'The Greatest President in my Lifetime' [View all] speak easy Jul 2025 OP

Gracious. H2O Man Jul 2025 #1

At times liked this, grace is more than a luxury. speak easy Jul 2025 #5

On various internet sites, H2O Man Jul 2025 #12

JFK did not prevent a nuclear war. He almost CAUSED one. NNadir Jul 2025 #31

Since you didn't mention him, where do you rank Obama in that list? Polybius Jul 2025 #56

Highly, of course, close, if not equal, to Truman, the 2nd greatest President of the 20th century. NNadir Jul 2025 #71

You are welcome H2O Man Jul 2025 #58

The US missiles in Turkey were obsolete, and intended for removal anyway.... Jack Valentino Jul 2025 #62

Right. H2O Man Jul 2025 #68

Yeah. Jack Valentino Jul 2025 #69

This is a guy who watched King's "I have a dream speech" a few blocks away on television, afraid it would cost him.... NNadir Jul 2025 #72

I think you're right about suceeding in everything but the most important detail. harumph Jul 2025 #23

"I've read Joe Biden was the greatest president in my lifetime far too many times." LudwigPastorius Jul 2025 #61

Other than the Vietnam War, speak easy Jul 2025 #67

But he is for many that are younger Bev54 Jul 2025 #2

I like Joe Biden, but Barack Obama tops him in several ways. MineralMan Jul 2025 #3

I'm with you on JFK and Obama. n/t Ms. Toad Jul 2025 #4

I agree. I love Obama and Michelle even more now that they're gone from the WH. CTyankee Jul 2025 #48

Jimmy Carter too. n/t garybeck Jul 2025 #51

Agree 100% still-prayin4rain Jul 2025 #54

Milquetoast Garland is why Trump was never brought to justice Chasstev365 Jul 2025 #6

Pick your preferred AG Fiendish Thingy Jul 2025 #15

And the SCROTUS Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jul 2025 #17

Absolutely Chasstev365 Jul 2025 #18

Seeing what Trump is doing I have come to that conclusion myself. Autumn Jul 2025 #7

I vote for Obama. doc03 Jul 2025 #8

FDR was president when I was born. But, I think Jimmy Carter is the most dercent president of my liffetime. Ping Tung Jul 2025 #9

Most decent, certainly Polybius Jul 2025 #57

Civil Rights Act, Voting Rights, Medicaid, Medicare, Ed Act, Job Corps, etc., in a few short years is hard to beat. Silent Type Jul 2025 #10

All with a Democratic super majority mcar Jul 2025 #33

I think when you factor in racist Dixiecrats, Johnson really didn't have a super majority. Silent Type Jul 2025 #37

Yes, some people fail to remember that LBJ had... LudwigPastorius Jul 2025 #66

We could use an LBJ type these days. BannonsLiver Jul 2025 #11

Unfortunately only FDR stopped the rising tides of Fascism in America delisen Jul 2025 #16

Not my point. BannonsLiver Jul 2025 #24

It took only five months for Trump to destroy Biden's legacy. dalton99a Jul 2025 #13

LBJ was fortunate to have a supermajority in the senate IIRC Fiendish Thingy Jul 2025 #14

GODDAM IT. Let's fight over Joe Biden instead of fighting maga treachery. Indivisble has action items, TODAY usonian Jul 2025 #19

I would venture to say that discussing our former president on a message board Autumn Jul 2025 #21

There are 24 hours in a day. No more, no less. usonian Jul 2025 #34

A resistance movement with no power, no media, no journalists, no leaders Autumn Jul 2025 #38

And let's waste our time fighting over Mamdani (sarcasm) choie Jul 2025 #28

A historical side note: Brother Buzz Jul 2025 #20

A historical side side note: usonian Jul 2025 #32

That's a Buck branded knife, not a buckhorn knife Brother Buzz Jul 2025 #49

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And what made him great, was that he was also a client! Intractable Jul 2025 #27

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Kennedy was de-escalating and he-re-escalated. milestogo Jul 2025 #39

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Does anyone believe regardless of what Biden or Garland did that this supreme court would have allowed lostincalifornia Jul 2025 #26

That doesn't mean you don't do everything you can choie Jul 2025 #30

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Yes I do recall Jack Smith's appointment. choie Jul 2025 #36

At the end of the day, those who refused to vote for Hillary in 2016 by either voting third party or not voting lostincalifornia Jul 2025 #40

It wasn't Rebl2 Jul 2025 #42

Joe nominated Garland. speak easy Jul 2025 #43

Biden should have prosecuted Trump and his goons when he had the chance. Initech Jul 2025 #44

Presidents are not prosecutors. totodeinhere Jul 2025 #65

Does bring about a good question... Clinton vs Obama WarGamer Jul 2025 #45

Yes, with Obama it always felt like a steady hand at the wheel fujiyamasan Jul 2025 #70

Clinton BEST in my lifetime ... Raine Jul 2025 #46

Jesus Christ on a Trailer Hitch. The House and Senate did that. Okay? It was not Biden's failure. Hekate Jul 2025 #47

He is in my lifetime JustAnotherGen Jul 2025 #52

Trashing this Captain Zero Jul 2025 #53

I wasn't around for LBJ Polybius Jul 2025 #55

Obama was better than both of them Renew Deal Jul 2025 #59

That was ONE failure, YES. The OTHER was the failure to restrain Israel in GAZA... Jack Valentino Jul 2025 #60

Joe Biden might not have been 'the greatest president in my lifetime', either, Jack Valentino Jul 2025 #63

President Biden's "biggest failure" was being a better man than he replaced!--- Jack Valentino Jul 2025 #64

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