BULLSHIT that it's a victory. Let's get our compasses straight as Democrats.

[Egalitarian Thug]

83. lmao. You can't even admit it when your own words are displayed.

The very idea that an abject capitulation to republican extortion last year was the 'Grand Plan' all along (still assuming that we get even that crumb) is clearly indicative of a total break with reality.

So, just to bring it over here so those not inclined to wade through your nonsense on that other thread, I will re-quote my reply; "You completely miss the point. Losing is always a possibility, but every time our way has been tried, it has succeeded wildly. It is what Americans across the spectrum want and consistently vote for, and that is why it is invariably removed from available options before any discussion is allowed."

And from my reply before that; "Knowing what is right is important. Standing up and fighting for it, win or lose, is what matters."

The OP is absolutely correct;

"Going over the cliff is the best we can hope for now, but it is still a decided loss. Even if we go over the cliff, we are stuck with painful, certainly regressive, triggered budget slashing that Obama is fully responsible for, because he chose to validate the Shock Doctrine scam debt ceiling "crisis" last year. We should not be imposing austerity at all during this economy."

What used to be understood as REPUBLICAN lies and talking points about the economy and the deficit were transformed into a devastating NATIONAL, BIPARTISAN narrative about the need for austerity that we now have to fight against every single day.