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GreenStormCloud

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101. Different level for different situations.

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 09:40 AM

Dec 2012

Basic level - Allows a person to legally own a gun. No violent criminal past (NICS check). Safety class of two hours. (Can be done by watching a DVD) No limits on type of gun, or size of magazine, no limit on ammo ownership. Good for ten years.

Basic concealed carry - All of above plus: No criminal past (Checked by FBI). CC class of one day. Fingerprints and photo sent to FBI. Demonstrate competance with gun by live fire on range. Good for five years.

School marsall - All of above plus: On faculty at a school, position does not have extensive contact with students, extra training with the gun including stressfire training. (gun must have laser sights) Carries concealed gun to school. Gets extra pay. Renew annually.

National Concealed Carry - One week of gun training. Gun must be laser equipped. Clean FBI record. Pass drug screen. Live fire test. Would be able to carry their gun EVERYWHERE, including airplanes, schools, courtrooms, government buildings, etc. Good for two years.

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I would like to see an assault weapons ban along with a ban on any semi automatic weapons for [View all] Whovian Dec 2012 OP

What about Simo Hayha? a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #1

With a bolt action rifle. Whovian Dec 2012 #2

Actually, he made divisions back off... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #3

But, we aren't in a war zone and not likely to be except in the paranoia of gun cultists. Hoyt Dec 2012 #76

Merely pointing out the flaw in your arguments. a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #79

Not deterred. Too many lethal weapon cultists in country. Not impressed by your lethal laser. Hoyt Dec 2012 #84

cool... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #85

And how long did he take to amass that record? intaglio Dec 2012 #59

He did it in a little over three months. N/T GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #67

So a lot slower than 26 every 10 minutes intaglio Dec 2012 #70

He had Russian soldiers shooting back at him. N/T GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #71

Actually at the times he killed he didn't intaglio Dec 2012 #72

No. You are the one wanting to draw a parrallel. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #75

What percentage of shots fired in combat kill or stop the assailant? Fumesucker Dec 2012 #78

I never implied that. You are the one trying to draw combat parrallels. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #81

Bullshit, you said more kids would be alive Fumesucker Dec 2012 #87

Palantirs didn't see into the future, or alternate realities. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #89

Or the kids could rush him like some paid shills for the gun industry seem to think is a good idea Fumesucker Dec 2012 #91

Or an armed guard, or school marshal, could rush in and shoot him. N/T GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #97

Or, more likely, he'd have had another victim intaglio Dec 2012 #86

Lanza wasn't wearing body armor. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #88

Oh, thanks intaglio Dec 2012 #92

What is wrong with a trained person shooting a rampage killer? GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #98

Ah, so everybody gets gun training intaglio Dec 2012 #99

Different level for different situations. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #101

What a laugh. Now I know you are a shill for the manufacturers intaglio Dec 2012 #110

agree 100%, we need to ban these weapons sasha031 Dec 2012 #4

I felt the same way until recently. Whovian Dec 2012 #6

It's nice to know that I'm not alone sasha031 Dec 2012 #19

Who is going to go door to door collecting the hundreds of millions of them? N/T GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #5

Fairly simple. Whovian Dec 2012 #7

That's worked well with drugs, eh? nt Llewlladdwr Dec 2012 #11

Can't grow guns. n/t Whovian Dec 2012 #21

All over the world there is a black market for everything. It is naive to think otherwise. nt Mojorabbit Dec 2012 #28

Gun control has kept gun violence down to a small fraction of what it is here per capita Whovian Dec 2012 #29

How old are you? Mojorabbit Dec 2012 #42

In my 60's, well educated, well informed. How old are you? What's your educational background Whovian Dec 2012 #48

I am pushing 60 Mojorabbit Dec 2012 #61

Educated? Then you've probably read how well prohibition worked. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #62

An empty implication. Next time be specific quakerboy Dec 2012 #112

The military and national guard mwrguy Dec 2012 #47

Then they'll continue to have plenty of free time. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #64

That can be waved mwrguy Dec 2012 #65

It wouldnt be the US Army vs average citizens davidn3600 Dec 2012 #8

Do you realize the NATIONAL guard is basically a branch of the US Military? Whovian Dec 2012 #10

So? In that type senario you would have entire divisions defecting. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #18

And losing their paychecks immediatly as well as support Whovian Dec 2012 #20

I'd actually propose using the Swiss military as a model to emulate. Selatius Dec 2012 #9

I believe the Israelis have a similar model davidn3600 Dec 2012 #12

Israel does have a similar model, precisely for rapid mobilization. Selatius Dec 2012 #16

Considering they only have appx 8 mil people there and one of the highest per capita incomes in the Whovian Dec 2012 #13

I beg to differ. Selatius Dec 2012 #14

It is often good to differ. But I feel that all the things discussed Whovian Dec 2012 #15

An interesting idea. nt Mojorabbit Dec 2012 #30

I don't think they have anywhere near the lowest gun homicide rate Major Nikon Dec 2012 #22

I see no reason theKed Dec 2012 #105

I agree only military should have assault weapons and we shouldn't let them keep them after they craigmatic Dec 2012 #17

This message was self-deleted by its author KatyAnn Dec 2012 #23

Addictions of a physical nature are very different than a hardware addiction. Whovian Dec 2012 #25

This message was self-deleted by its author KatyAnn Dec 2012 #27

And that is why there is a run on semi autos right now. Mojorabbit Dec 2012 #31

I only insulted an opinion. Whovian Dec 2012 #32

This message was self-deleted by its author KatyAnn Dec 2012 #34

If the shoe fits. Whovian Dec 2012 #35

This message was self-deleted by its author KatyAnn Dec 2012 #37

Bye. Whovian Dec 2012 #38

I see you haven't posted much in three years. UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2012 #54

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2012 #51

Duplicate jury results n/t Glaug-Eldare Dec 2012 #52

It's good to like things. flvegan Dec 2012 #24

Were you speaking to me? Whovian Dec 2012 #26

We don't need assault weapons or ammo made Rex Dec 2012 #33

Most gun owners don't buy guns to hunt deer . former-republican Dec 2012 #40

Around here they do. Rex Dec 2012 #43

You used the typical talking point of deer hunting and gun control ........ former-republican Dec 2012 #55

Backing out now that you got crushed Rex Dec 2012 #69

A cartridge appropriate to hunt deer will easily defeat police body armor Kennah Dec 2012 #66

True, but their intent is to kill deer Rex Dec 2012 #68

The KTW, or original cop killer bullet, was invented by, of all people, cops. Kennah Dec 2012 #100

Ya but you don't care to get the point. Rex Dec 2012 #106

Your point seemed to me to be sir pball Dec 2012 #107

Nope. Rex Dec 2012 #108

No hurt feelings sir pball Dec 2012 #109

You can't ban them former-republican Dec 2012 #36

Why not? Whovian Dec 2012 #39

It doesn't make sense former-republican Dec 2012 #41

Yes it does, you just don't like the outcome. Rex Dec 2012 #44

Please tell me in what way? Whovian Dec 2012 #45

Because former-republican Dec 2012 #49

Shooting skeet with anything other than a shotgun is not skeet shooting. Whovian Dec 2012 #53

All these are used in trap and skeet former-republican Dec 2012 #56

So you don't want to ban all semi autos former-republican Dec 2012 #57

Uhh, yea they are semi-autos Lurker Deluxe Dec 2012 #74

You just blew any semblance of credibility ..... oldhippie Dec 2012 #82

Stop , I want him to come back former-republican Dec 2012 #96

To quote Bo Burnam XRubicon Dec 2012 #95

An outright ban might be difficult. A new approach to the issue might help though and that is cstanleytech Dec 2012 #46

If you look again at the OP you will see I didn't propose an outright ban of guns. Whovian Dec 2012 #50

No , this is what you said former-republican Dec 2012 #58

"a ban on any semi automatic weapons for civilan use" is not a gun ban Whovian Dec 2012 #60

I didn't say it was a gun ban former-republican Dec 2012 #63

Yep, that's a gun ban derby378 Dec 2012 #77

The .38 police special you mentioned RantinRavin Dec 2012 #80

agreed. no. need. for. them. spanone Dec 2012 #73

I want 4 things: assault weapon ban, 10 shot max on clips, No online sales, & bg checks at Gun Shows krawhitham Dec 2012 #83

Answers: GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #90

Bullshit, I take it you are a Gun Show Loophole denier krawhitham Dec 2012 #93

I have been to gun shows. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #94

Private sales are the issue hack89 Dec 2012 #102

I can't go along with a ban or gun confiscation or semi-auto rifles. aikoaiko Dec 2012 #103

Vegas Baby! skiptomaloo Dec 2012 #104

kick again. spanone Dec 2012 #111