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In reply to the discussion: What is wrong with the tax cut for SS recipients. Although I will save [View all]Wiz Imp
(8,560 posts)37. You are partly right and partly wrong.
You are correct that the OBBB tax break for seniors is independent of whether or not they are receiving social security. The bill never mentions SS Benefits. There is no direct reduction in taxes paid on SS Benefits.
However, income taxes which are collected from SS Benefits do go back to the SS Trust Fund and not into the General Fund. I did not know that myself until yesterday. Part of the reason I didn't think that was true is I don't understand how they determine what portion of taxes collected come from the SS Benefits vs other income. Anyway, this explains it somewhat:
https://www.ssa.gov/history/taxationofbenefits.html
Congress passed and President Reagan signed into law the 1983 Amendments. Under the '83 Amendments, up to one-half of the value of the Social Security benefit was made potentially taxable income. The specific rules adopted in 1983 were:
If the taxpayer's combined income (total of adjusted gross income, interest on tax-exempt bonds, and 50% of Social Security benefits and Tier I Railroad Retirement Benefits) exceeds a threshold amount ($25,000 for an individual, $32,000 for a married couple filing a joint return, and zero for a married person filing separately), the amount of benefits subject to income tax is the lesser of 50% of benefits or 50% of the excess of the taxpayer's combined income over the threshold amount. The additional income tax revenues resulting from this provision are transferred to the trust funds from which the corresponding benefits were paid. Effective for taxable years beginning after 1983.
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In my view the strategy is even shorter than that. Both the no taxes on social security, and the no tax on
lostincalifornia
Jul 2025
#20
The bill does not eliminate nor directly reduce taxes on Social Security Benefits
Wiz Imp
Jul 2025
#27
It gives some seniors an addition deduction on their tax returns. Ultimately it means ...
CousinIT
Jul 2025
#60
Those that currently pay taxes on social security, would get those taxes back in the form of a credit on their
lostincalifornia
Jul 2025
#33
Kamala Harris is our duly elected president, and I'm pretty sure everyone knows it deep in their hearts.
BComplex
Jul 2025
#14
Yes, but it only applied to higher income beneficiaries, not those with modest incomes, and was part of the
lostincalifornia
Jul 2025
#22
Republicans hate Social Security, they've hated it from the beginning. They've done their best to try and destroy it.
Walleye
Jul 2025
#7
No, it does NOT take any funding from SS. In fact it has nothing to do with SS.
lostnfound
Jul 2025
#12
? Taxes paid on Social Security DO go back into the Soc Security Trust Fund, not the treasury..
CousinIT
Jul 2025
#61
It is a Machiavelli con along with the "no tax on tips", both set to expire in 2028 when trump's term ends.
lostincalifornia
Jul 2025
#13
No. Because of the bill being a reconciliation bill they actually could not touch the SS trust fund, so they...
Ol Janx Spirit
Jul 2025
#21
True, but it's being used to claim that Dear Leader in his mercy has removed the tax on SS income.
Ocelot II
Jul 2025
#36
But there are also millions of people under 65 collecting SS benefits who get no tax breaks at all from this bill.
Wiz Imp
Jul 2025
#42
Still, it's not connected to SS. A couple million people or so will never get SS
Ocelot II
Jul 2025
#43
Yup. That's how it works, but Krasnov wants us all to think that he, in his munificense,
Ocelot II
Jul 2025
#52
The Social Security Fairness Act legislation passed last year did shorten the trust fund solvency
MichMan
Jul 2025
#63
It's a deduction taken at tax time, not a monthly increase in your check.
RandomNumbers
Jul 2025
#67