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124. I don't agree. He wanted tax increases, he knew that to get that he would

Reply to coalition_unwilling (Reply #121)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 01:03 PM

Dec 2012

have to give them something they really wanted. He told us there would 'be bitter pills to swallow for both sides'. The Progressive Caucus believes he was willing to give them the Chained CPI, a policy supported by the Third Way on their website btw. They thought it was vague enough to fool most people into not realizing it was actually a cut. Nancy Pelosi and Hoyer believed him.

I will believe this 'poker' game nonsense when he takes it off the table now that Repubs have turned it down. That would be the way to finish them off. To say 'look I offered you what you wanted, you refused, you won't get that offer again'.

So far I see no sign of that happening.

Talk to us when he makes a clear statement, like Sanders eg, a statement that would have the support of a majority of the people, and I will buy this 'playing poker game'.

Until then, I can only go by that fact that three times he has offered SS cuts to the rabid, greedy Republicans.

If that is playing games, it is a dangerous and cruel game to play using Seniors as a Poker chip. Frankly I'd rather think he meant it.

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BULLSHIT that it's a victory. Let's get our compasses straight as Democrats. [View all] woo me with science Dec 2012 OP

Our expectations are so low that "it's not a staggering loss yet!" is viewed as resounding victory villager Dec 2012 #1

That's a good way of putting it. GreenPartyVoter Dec 2012 #93

yep limpyhobbler Dec 2012 #137

this is the pattern - you guys get to ride roughshod on Obama for about 2 days... Whisp Dec 2012 #2

Has he withdrawn his offer to the Repugs? MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #11

Nope. And if he's true to form, he'll probably sweeten the offer. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #25

Precisely. jsr Dec 2012 #88

He had to destroy SocSec in order to preserve it. Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #102

That's his story. How soon is he going to publicly state that he wants to privatize it in order to AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #106

Okay 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #126

keep heaven05 Dec 2012 #147

It's not personal. And when you can separate the policy from the man cui bono Dec 2012 #14

With specificity has he withdrawn his offer to the Republicans? Any plethoro Dec 2012 #15

It's worse than criminal. It's a mistake... shrdlu Dec 2012 #176

Exactly, shrdlu. I am so pissed off I can hardly type. Even this last minute plethoro Dec 2012 #180

He offered up social security yet AGAIN after lobezen Dec 2012 #16

+1 leftstreet Dec 2012 #20

Did you read what Nancy Pelosi and Hoyer said today? What SHOULD we do sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #32

Agreed. Liberal1975 Dec 2012 #140

yeah heaven05 Dec 2012 #148

Huh? This is the SECOND TIME this president has stealthily offered to cut Social Security. Marr Dec 2012 #42

It's a fucking tactic. cliffordu Dec 2012 #62

So is taking a punch to the nose to injure an opponent's fist. Bonobo Dec 2012 #65

We will see....I hope you will be big enough to apologize. cliffordu Dec 2012 #67

Ostensibly it WAS on the table. Bonobo Dec 2012 #71

Fuck. HE DID have this: cliffordu Dec 2012 #73

So the "story" is that the "adult" offered the very reasonable option of chained CPI. Bonobo Dec 2012 #75

Again....Just because he "offered" it means exactly what now?? cliffordu Dec 2012 #78

This OP does a terrific job of saying exactly what I think. Bonobo Dec 2012 #99

Just how in the hell are they going to make them gone. olegramps Dec 2012 #135

He gave them 2 more years of Bush tax cuts... lame54 Dec 2012 #167

I want to kiss you, my new hero! appacom Dec 2012 #170

+10 n/t whathehell Dec 2012 #166

Stupid ass move my ass! We all know Obama isn't stupid. The question should be, Dustlawyer Dec 2012 #177

Whoa, dude! Summer Hathaway Dec 2012 #77

Aw, shucks, m'am, cliffordu Dec 2012 #80

Actually, they didn't go "home with NOTHING in their hands." They went home with an offer to cut SS. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #95

oh heaven05 Dec 2012 #150

Wow! Now he never even made the offer! Marr Dec 2012 #114

Neat trick. And they are doing it with just three cards. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #122

Not to mention that he gives validity ... Fantastic Anarchist Dec 2012 #190

Amen. woo me with science Dec 2012 #202

why can't sticking up for the democratic party base be a tactic? datasuspect Dec 2012 #107

Validating your opponent's position on not only austerity, but SS + the deficit is a "tactic"? Marr Dec 2012 #110

I ignore nothing. cliffordu Dec 2012 #127

This is not "Politics 101", and that absurd claim does not make you look savvy. Marr Dec 2012 #130

oh heaven05 Dec 2012 #151

which part of that is sarcasm? lame54 Dec 2012 #168

Good argument. /nt Marr Dec 2012 #183

not heaven05 Dec 2012 #193

So your argument is that he's better than GW Bush? Marr Dec 2012 #200

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Right Cosmocat Dec 2012 #89

Exactly, All the shitspewers who squeal about his "mad negotiating skillz!" kenny blankenship Dec 2012 #174

Reality is reality. Well said. woo me with science Dec 2012 #178

When reality sets in, they're mzmolly Dec 2012 #49

What on earth are you talking about? nt woo me with science Dec 2012 #179

I'm talking about doomsday naysayers being silent mzmolly Dec 2012 #185

And who might these people be? nt woo me with science Dec 2012 #186

Yep - the overwhelming angst of about 100 of these posts mean they are losing the narrative. cliffordu Dec 2012 #61

yep heaven05 Dec 2012 #143

what "reality"? The one where President Obama offered a chained CPI to SS? Still on the table Vincardog Dec 2012 #152

what stinky poo poo Whisp Dec 2012 #164

Tell me one banker brought up on Criminal charges by this administration. You can't do it. Vincardog Dec 2012 #165

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Obama is not the issue, he is just a politician who will be gone in four years. sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #205

If we can restore the tax cuts on people below $250K, I'm fine with (most of) the rest of it. reformist2 Dec 2012 #3

Huge defense cuts won't happen. woo me with science Dec 2012 #8

"the need for social program cuts over defense cuts" leftlibdem420 Dec 2012 #27

Eureka - someone's beginning to hit the nail on the head Toronto Dec 2012 #103

True. But I'd like it, if it was offered by the President as part of the great game of chess..... Little Star Dec 2012 #119

If there is truly one thing that is "off the table," it is defense expenditures. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #26

well, i agree with the BULLSHIT part. spanone Dec 2012 #4

Reality kicked in, didn't it??? nt msanthrope Dec 2012 #5

Nothing we did not expect but were told we were wrong. Thanks to the sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #36

K&R forestpath Dec 2012 #6

Keeping it real. Thank you. cui bono Dec 2012 #7

"Every single time Democrats reinforce this narrative, it is damaging to the country. " Bonobo Dec 2012 #9

As long as the Right owns the narrative the lobezen Dec 2012 #17

Except that the Republicans don't own the narrative. cliffordu Dec 2012 #74

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An offer the Rape-publi-scum did not accept because it was coupled coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #120

that heaven05 Dec 2012 #153

No, the "Chained CPI" is indeed a cut, even if you pretend it isn't Dragonfli Dec 2012 #173

I heaven05 Dec 2012 #191

Every time a Democrat says "austerity" a Republican gets his wings. n/t jtuck004 Dec 2012 #141

K&R MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #10

DURec leftstreet Dec 2012 #12

just beacause you don't get the strategy grantcart Dec 2012 #13

So do you think he will cut defense spending? nm rhett o rick Dec 2012 #19

Oh, I get it. I don't subscribe to it and don't call it winning. TheKentuckian Dec 2012 #22

Saying that you get it isn't the same thing as actually getting it. grantcart Dec 2012 #100

What are you talking about? The two year shield or the bump at a certain age? TheKentuckian Dec 2012 #118

What's the strategy? Pelosi says he's going to accept the Chained CPI. Is she sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #37

Here's the technical discussion by the leading liberal expert grantcart Dec 2012 #86

I keep asking; but no one ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #129

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I'm certain that there is that element ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #160

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Here's a 10 minute explanation of the strategy grantcart Dec 2012 #101

He isn't perfect Cosmocat Dec 2012 #92

Actually, he got HEALTH INSURANCE reform, not health care reform. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #97

I know, I know Cosmocat Dec 2012 #125

Here is the only way this is a victory BlueStreak Dec 2012 #18

Exactly TheKentuckian Dec 2012 #24

First, +1. Second, you should take a look at something- from NYT: Poll_Blind Dec 2012 #21

The Part B that passed is HR6684 and Reid said it won't be brought to a vote in the Senate. PoliticAverse Dec 2012 #163

Sound and fury signifying nothing cliffordu Dec 2012 #23

Shakespeare is rolling over in his grave. nt Bonobo Dec 2012 #30

I know. My bad cliffordu Dec 2012 #31

How about being specific. What, eg, do you think of Pelosi and Hoyer sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #40

IT DOENS'T MATTER WHAT THE DEMS SAY OR OFFER: cliffordu Dec 2012 #45

Nancy Pelosi is a liar then? And so is Steny Hoyer? Is that what you are saying? sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #64

This has all been theater to allow the fucking R's to hang themselves. cliffordu Dec 2012 #70

Please do not remind us of the HC debacle. If you think progressives were not sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #76

Well....... cliffordu Dec 2012 #79

'You'? Does this mean you are not a Progressive? sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #81

There's the Third Way again: "Progressives are not in the majority." woo me with science Dec 2012 #109

If "progressives" are such a great big spanking cliffordu Dec 2012 #171

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And people who are upset with the corporate takeover of our party? woo me with science Dec 2012 #189

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Perfectly said: "a team sport." woo me with science Dec 2012 #195

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"The television will hype garbage to you to sell ad time. " enlightenment Dec 2012 #158

I have NEVER posted an MSNBC link. Fail. cliffordu Dec 2012 #172

I call it support for Obama's bluff. The Rape-publi-scum suck at poker (Obama's coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #121

I don't agree. He wanted tax increases, he knew that to get that he would sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #124

I understand your position and the progressive in me firmly agrees. However, the coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #146

Aren't they always? Summer Hathaway Dec 2012 #44

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I'm doing well... cliffordu Dec 2012 #72

A regular mutual admiration society of poke in the barrel enthusiasts. olegramps Dec 2012 #138

Yep, that's right!! cliffordu Dec 2012 #149

Abuse of Shakespeare still doesn't give your 'argument' any substance. n/t Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #56

Mine was no argument. cliffordu Dec 2012 #57

Bogus to play up the fears of "television believers" DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2012 #108

I know, huh. I mean, some of us don't even watch TV & were totally fooled by those Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #117

still clueless as always, eh? MjolnirTime Dec 2012 #28

Zounds! Methinks thou should go back to reading thy comic books! nt Bonobo Dec 2012 #29

heehee +1 840high Dec 2012 #34

How about you, who appear to be so informed, explain that remark. sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #41

Methinks he hath left the realm of Midgard and taken Bifrost to the wastes of Niffelheim! Bonobo Dec 2012 #48

Lol, I think you are correct! sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #58

Well, "I will never cut Social Security" was a helluva campaing slogan, Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2012 #33

That was just the opening move in the long gambit that won us this big victory! nt Bonobo Dec 2012 #35

I keep hoping against hope? Skittles Dec 2012 #38

Thank you! Well said. Bedrock Democratic values as bargaining chips. Austerity for the 99% is not Overseas Dec 2012 #39

Exactly! I cannot believe how far we have fallen as a party. nt Mojorabbit Dec 2012 #50

Un-rec. ignoring the facts & just saying stuff doesn't make it so, no matter what labels it wears. patrice Dec 2012 #43

What facts is he ignoring? You were just explaining to me yesterday that it was essential Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #54

Please quote precisely how you get that out of what I said in that post. Admitting the POSSIBILITY patrice Dec 2012 #63

lmao. You can't even admit it when your own words are displayed. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #83

Thank You so much for this OP humbled_opinion Dec 2012 #46

"Third Way propaganda of steadily diminishing expectations" Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #47

President had better recognize it wasn't just a repuke candidate rejected, it was their IDEAS too on point Dec 2012 #51

Obama is to the Right of Ronald Reagan's ghost on Social Security for Pete's sake 99th_Monkey Dec 2012 #52

+1000 JDPriestly Dec 2012 #53

Your compass is bent railsback Dec 2012 #55

An analysis of that brilliant post. Bonobo Dec 2012 #60

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As for me... Bonobo Dec 2012 #69

Unfortunately... kentuck Dec 2012 #145

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kr HiPointDem Dec 2012 #84

Don't count your money while you're sitting at the table.... kentuck Dec 2012 #85

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"BULLSHIT that anything happening now is a victory or that we should be celebrating" ProSense Dec 2012 #91

best post I've seen in a long time. k and r! bbgrunt Dec 2012 #94

k&r nt bananas Dec 2012 #98

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Big Money is running this show and we're all gonna get fucked until all the fucking is done datasuspect Dec 2012 #105

Finally something I can believe in. dawg Dec 2012 #111

It certainly looks that way, doesn't it. woo me with science Dec 2012 #123

Truer words were never spoken. nt historylovr Dec 2012 #161

I'll dare. Boehner's failure to rally his own party to vote for his alternative is a FAILURE for him bigtree Dec 2012 #113

Meanwhile, John Boehner lays weeping in a pool of his own sick. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #115

Here's the Third Way game: "Heads I win. Tails, you lose....call it!" Zorra Dec 2012 #116

+10000 Keep exposing the propaganda and the real game here. woo me with science Dec 2012 #131

Well Stated! n/t adirondacker Dec 2012 #154

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But, Kool-Aid is so sweet and all my friends like it. merrily Dec 2012 #132

K&R. nt OnyxCollie Dec 2012 #133

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It's not really about Obama. JEB Dec 2012 #136

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The MSM helps the cons watoos Dec 2012 #142

right on! the MSM is helping it along as ordered. it's sickening. Divine Discontent Dec 2012 #144

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Sometimes, the best you can hope for is hurting them more than yourself. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #159

Excellent post. nt historylovr Dec 2012 #162

You would know about Propaganda. It is your occupation. emulatorloo Dec 2012 #181

Emulateadem? nt Bonobo Dec 2012 #187

FUCK YOU emulatorloo Dec 2012 #206

if Dems Old Codger Dec 2012 #182

After a dramatic week, Social Security is again off the table ProSense Dec 2012 #188

Just like it was last time? woo me with science Dec 2012 #192

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