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merrily

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129. What is your plan B because getting money out of politics will never happen.

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 01:53 PM

Dec 2012

It would require at least one constitutional amendment, which would be very difficult to draft.

If one could be drafted successfully, it would then have to make it out of a Congress that likes things just as they are.

And then it would have to be ratified by two thirds of the states.

No constitutional amendment that is even slightly controversial has passed those two hurdles since the Eisenhower administration. For instance, an amendment saying only that women have equal rights has failed to get ratified and is still floating in amendment limbo, like so many other attempted amendments.

Oh, and opening up the Constitution for one amendment often results in about forty other things getting tagged on to the proposed amendment. Do you really want that nowadays?

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Are you sick of getting hosed at every turn? [View all] MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 OP

What makes me furious is the buy-partisanship. Octafish Dec 2012 #1

I'm recommending your post, Octafish. +1,000,000 loudsue Dec 2012 #4

Yep, sums it up... tex-wyo-dem Dec 2012 #63

Barofsky. Thank you for reminding me of him Octafish. sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #102

Defense Spending gussmith Dec 2012 #120

Yep!!! Each day brings more of the SOS and new SH**! n/t RKP5637 Dec 2012 #2

I'm fucking sick of it. I'm fucking sick of these people we elect playing their sorry Autumn Dec 2012 #3

I understand this. limpyhobbler Dec 2012 #18

When it comes to $$$$$ A=B. n/t RKP5637 Dec 2012 #33

Past performance is still the best predictor of future behavior. jsr Dec 2012 #5

Obama really has no mandate for SS cuts aside from the Wall St. and Chicago BOT Boys. leveymg Dec 2012 #6

And we were boxed in, him or Romney. ... might even think, so what are you going to do. Most RKP5637 Dec 2012 #34

US elections usually are between the Center-Right and Far Right-wing candidates. '12 was no except- leveymg Dec 2012 #55

I have to admit I get more tired of the entire mess more and more. The difference between R and D RKP5637 Dec 2012 #78

And we were boxed in, him or Romney DJ13 Dec 2012 #69

If, he agrees to cut SS I think he's taking the D party down ... because these programs were RKP5637 Dec 2012 #77

For Wall Street, sulphurdunn Dec 2012 #105

Romney would not have gotten away with cutting Social Security or Medicare. merrily Dec 2012 #124

He's probably correct on that. merrily Dec 2012 #123

The President has started an internecine war within the Democratic party. Poll_Blind Dec 2012 #7

Maybe it's a deliberate strategy jsr Dec 2012 #10

Gotta watch out with that strategy MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #13

Hillary will be running on bad Party branding leftstreet Dec 2012 #20

I think the war started long ago. merrily Dec 2012 #125

yeh, I've had it too Whisp Dec 2012 #8

yes i am donheld Dec 2012 #9

I must not be. I keep voting for DINOs Doctor_J Dec 2012 #11

No one else is allowed to run. merrily Dec 2012 #126

That's not what I'm sick of. MineralMan Dec 2012 #12

Corporate profits are at an all time high Fumesucker Dec 2012 #42

Are you Manny? MineralMan Dec 2012 #49

Tsk, tsk.. Fumesucker Dec 2012 #53

x2. Thanks for speaking up so clearly and forcefully, AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #86

You're always welcome to reply. MineralMan Dec 2012 #103

Take off, Hoser Fumesucker Dec 2012 #104

If you want to have a tete a tete with Manny, we understand, but do it via private message. nm rhett o rick Dec 2012 #110

Thank you for posting the graph. Quantess Dec 2012 #100

Please alert me when you add to your post MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #56

What's the alternative? Jim Warren Dec 2012 #14

None, as long as you think that way. merrily Dec 2012 #128

Typical snark Jim Warren Dec 2012 #133

We need to get money out of political campaigns, as much as is possible. reformist2 Dec 2012 #15

Totally agree. See my post further down! Dustlawyer Dec 2012 #21

What is your plan B because getting money out of politics will never happen. merrily Dec 2012 #129

Yes. But I expect it from Republicans. WHO is president again?? forestpath Dec 2012 #16

"WHO is president again??" FiveGoodMen Dec 2012 #35

IMO, he is to the right of Reagan. merrily Dec 2012 #130

I certainly wouldn't argue with that. FiveGoodMen Dec 2012 #138

Manny, masochism is an acquired habit jsr Dec 2012 #17

Has anyone conducted comparisons with taste tests? AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #89

K&R! We have seen a good indication of how far the powers that be are willing to go to protect their Dustlawyer Dec 2012 #19

As tired of that as I am... 99Forever Dec 2012 #22

YES !!! - This "Good Cop/Bad Cop" Bullshit Out Of D.C. Is Making Me Ill !!! - K & R !!! WillyT Dec 2012 #23

Of course Jim Warren Dec 2012 #24

Maybe that should change. MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #25

I like the Progressive Caucus but the rest of the Democrats seem pretty corporate and useless to me. limpyhobbler Dec 2012 #26

I forgot to add, how many of the 1% went to jail, wait, how many were indicted for Dustlawyer Dec 2012 #27

Here's something I don't get.... vi5 Dec 2012 #28

No, I don't get you. bigtree Dec 2012 #29

Thanks. You've given me new energy. socialindependocrat Dec 2012 #62

yes, some of the folks here are worried about their trust funds & some are worried about their HiPointDem Dec 2012 #81

Did you write this? Oilwellian Dec 2012 #139

I'm Ron Fullwood bigtree Dec 2012 #141

This ^ bigtree Dec 2012 #142

Well I'll be Oilwellian Dec 2012 #143

well, Oilwellian bigtree Dec 2012 #144

There was no baiting Oilwellian Dec 2012 #145

This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Dec 2012 #146

you're altogether focused on my posts, which are certainly pro-Obama (my choice) bigtree Dec 2012 #147

and, it's Ron, not Don - nt. bigtree Dec 2012 #148

Beyond sick. I've got one foot on solid ground but the other one on a banana peel Cleita Dec 2012 #30

That is an EXCELLENT way of putting it. WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2012 #74

I'm sick of these wealthy sociopaths screwing us over every chance they get. Initech Dec 2012 #31

Even if it is classified as such, guess who will defund treatment of it? n/t Not Sure Dec 2012 #37

it never ends d_b Dec 2012 #32

I will gladly tighten my belt just to make sure the looters making more than me pay their share Not Sure Dec 2012 #36

I'm with you. We the people are NOT being represented, special monied interests own our gov't. nt mother earth Dec 2012 #38

It will take concerted and long civil disobedience nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #39

And intelligence and cleverness MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #43

I will take leave from the strike nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #47

Op Ed column? nt MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #59

Could be. nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #70

I am a socialist. DissidentVoice Dec 2012 #40

Obama cares more about the views of a few CEOS than duffyduff Dec 2012 #41

I suppose you would rather have President Romney MNBrewer Dec 2012 #44

maybe. we would at least then have the senate to protect us.....theyll roll over for obama bowens43 Dec 2012 #83

I agree, it's a terrible reason not to criticize Obama for bad things his administration does. MNBrewer Dec 2012 #99

Weren't you the pariah like two days ago? ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2012 #45

Manny's batting average is way above... 99Forever Dec 2012 #57

Well, his "I told you so" moment re: cuts to SocSec hasn't arrived quite yet. I am ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2012 #64

I was just recommending ... 99Forever Dec 2012 #68

Apologies not necessary MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #61

Agreed. With all due respect, though, I hope you've been wrong. For obvious reasons. ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2012 #66

All that I predicted is that Obama - and other Democrats - would try to cut Social Security MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #80

Whattaya gonna do about it, Manny? cliffordu Dec 2012 #46

First off, I believe a more respectful tone from you MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #51

Well, sir, will you please answer the question? cliffordu Dec 2012 #52

As I tried to allude (poorly)... MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #54

Why yes. UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2012 #48

Have you been hosed? WilliamPitt Dec 2012 #50

Yes. MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #58

By the "fiscal cliff" deal WilliamPitt Dec 2012 #60

By that single issue? Well, I'm a nerd MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #92

Hm. WilliamPitt Dec 2012 #94

I believe that I only ever predicted that Obama would sign on to a proposal MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #96

Sure it has. And most certainly we have been hosed. woo me with science Dec 2012 #97

Right on brother. blackspade Dec 2012 #65

You better believe it. The only time I'm not sorry I voted for a Dem candidate for pres is when they MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #67

No I want to get hosed one more time. Ganja Ninja Dec 2012 #71

Pro Sense Liberal1975 Dec 2012 #72

Great post. nt raccoon Dec 2012 #75

This should be an OP. Puglover Dec 2012 #95

when I voted for Obama the first time I foolishly imagined him using presidential power for good the yurbud Dec 2012 #73

I'm sick of so-called Democrats bashing the President. nt rivegauche Dec 2012 #76

this is a discussion board, and usually people like to discuss what they are unhappy with yurbud Dec 2012 #79

"getting hosed at every turn" is not a basis for rivegauche Dec 2012 #87

wow. so if he's a democrat no problem if he lies to us? bowens43 Dec 2012 #84

Stop making up shit. rivegauche Dec 2012 #88

Well Liberal1975 Dec 2012 #90

yes, we were romneyed by obama....... bowens43 Dec 2012 #82

Damn right I am RoccoR5955 Dec 2012 #85

Even if Obama caves completely, we are better off than if we had Rmoney Taverner Dec 2012 #91

Even if we're sinking in quicksand, it's better than being swallowed by a boa constrictor byeya Dec 2012 #93

At the end of my rope with it. woo me with science Dec 2012 #98

Yes Not a Fan Dec 2012 #101

Are you sick of eating crow over and over and over and over, MannyGoldstein? tridim Dec 2012 #106

??? MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #107

Yes, you're wrong about everything. tridim Dec 2012 #111

So name a few things. MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #136

+100 FSogol Dec 2012 #112

3rd party / Indie ?Congressional 2 term limit?Cleansing of D's- I do not know but the choices have to lunasun Dec 2012 #108

hell yes. if i were a plant I would have died already with to much hosing we are getting. southernyankeebelle Dec 2012 #109

Damn right. n/t ProfessionalLeftist Dec 2012 #113

I am sick of getting hosed by politicians at every turn. NCTraveler Dec 2012 #114

Not me, Manny pscot Dec 2012 #115

Meanwhile, John Boehner lays weeping in a pool of his own sick. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #116

+1. n/t pnwmom Dec 2012 #122

Manny, short, bittersweet..I understand, and I thank you. saidsimplesimon Dec 2012 #117

The conservative card is the rich. The liberal card is the poor. It's a tough game. Gregorian Dec 2012 #118

Disgust gussmith Dec 2012 #119

The investor class has done fine. merrily Dec 2012 #131

Yes. I can't stand to see the Rethugs hosing us at every turn. pnwmom Dec 2012 #121

It keeps feeling like they are pulling the rug out from under me liberal N proud Dec 2012 #127

Could you please be more specific? merrily Dec 2012 #132

Yep. nt awoke_in_2003 Dec 2012 #134

K&R closeupready Dec 2012 #135

You had it the minute after Obama was declared the victor in 2008. This is nothing new. nt stevenleser Dec 2012 #137

No, I gave up caring about it. Rex Dec 2012 #140

Please proceed, Manny. madinmaryland Dec 2012 #149