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snot

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60. Here's a summary as I understand the allegations:
Sun Jul 27, 2025, 08:36 PM
Jul 2025

It starts with the hacks or leaks of Hillary's emails. Her campaign maintained that the emails were made public through Russian hacking and not through a leak from within Hillary's campaign (Seth Rich being a suspected leaker) or through Hillary's negligence in using an inadequately-secured, non-State Dept. server in her basement for emails connected with her employment, instead of sticking with the federally-secured State Dept. email system.

After the 2016 election, the CIA & FBI initially assessed that the Russian government had not engaged in any significant hacking of the election, or at least not to an extent sufficient to affect the outcome. As part of their investigation, the CIA &/or FBI had reviewed the Steele dossier, which had been paid for by the Hillary campaign and which purported to show collusion between Trump and the Russians to rig the election in Trump's favor (and I guess the outing of Hillary's emails was supposedly part of that effort?). The intelligence agencies initially assessed that the dossier was from a source known to be unreliable and that, for that & other reasons, should not be relied on. (Part of the idea is that the Hillary campaign initially paid for the Steele dossier in order to divert attention from their contents, which were potentially embarrassing to her campaign, and as well as blame for the leak/hacking, among other motives.)

The documents released by Gabbard appear to show that when the conclusion reached by the agencies that there was no evidence of significant Russian election rigging and/or collusion was communicated to Pres. Obama, he sent the agencies back to try to reach a different conclusion.

At that point, the story goes, the agencies had already noted that there was little or nothing to support the collusion theory except the Steele dossier, so they resurrected that; in addition, they and/or other Dems tried to imply that there was also other evidence of collusion that could not be revealed for reasons of national security.

The Steele dossier was supposedly the principal evidence relied on in obtaining a warrant to spy on Carter Page, a member of Trump's campaign &/or admin., in order to try to dig up more evidence re- collusion.

The feds' reliance on the Steele dossier is at the core of the argument that Russiagate was a hoax; the claim is that the feds knew that it was bogus but hid their own doubts about it & basically lied about it to a federal court in order to get a warrant, initiating an extended fishing expedition and providing an opening for all kinds of "where there's smoke, there must be fire" slurs, as well as violating the Constitutional rights of Trump & his staff.

I believe Tulsi's documents are also claimed to suggest that the agencies never really did have any additional, "secret" evidence of significant hacking or collusion, as some officials had suggested; and in any case, unfortunately, the Mueller investigation never turned up enough further evidence to bring charges against Trump.

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Trying to say Epstein's sweetheart deal was Obama Blue Full Moon Jul 2025 #1
Well, there was the Tan Suit debacle... NewDayOranges Jul 2025 #2
Yup. This. Just awful NewHendoLib Jul 2025 #13
Don't forget he loved his wife and his daughters, and he never had a combover dem4decades Jul 2025 #14
Yes, we Mustn't Forget the Grey Poupon SCANDLE!!!1!11!!! electric_blue68 Jul 2025 #15
My favorite! But did I miss the pearlnecklace one? What was that all about? CTyankee Jul 2025 #38
Oh...no. The pearl necklace was A Metaphor.... electric_blue68 Jul 2025 #45
There was also the "mom jeans" scandal. johnnyfins Jul 2025 #16
A bike helmet! The horror!!!1! tanyev Jul 2025 #26
What about the time he took his wife out on a date?!? In NEW YORK CITY!!1! NBachers Jul 2025 #29
How dared they?! yardwork Jul 2025 #67
There's nothng there. Pitiful Gabbard is just trying to get back in trump's good graces... brush Jul 2025 #3
There was that brown suit and presidenting while black EdmondDantes_ Jul 2025 #4
Exactly. Presiding while Black. All the rest is bullshit. B.See Jul 2025 #24
Being REELECTED was the Real "Crrime"!.... electric_blue68 Jul 2025 #42
Recall that on the very inauguration of B.See Jul 2025 #50
Oh, yeahhh, right! Your mentioning reminds me of reading about that, TY! electric_blue68 Jul 2025 #57
I don't think this can even be discussed without breaking multiple ToS... WarGamer Jul 2025 #5
..... pbmus Jul 2025 #6
her allegation is as pockmarked as her Shellback Squid Jul 2025 #20
Great job pbmus, thanks. Brenda Jul 2025 #23
Good reply... Septua Jul 2025 #25
Thanks. cachukis Jul 2025 #47
Obama made a joke about Trump at the White House Correspondents' Dinner VMA131Marine Jul 2025 #7
Bingo. Bully's pride wounded to the core. usonian Jul 2025 #10
This....all along.... nt sprinkleeninow Jul 2025 #33
drumpf has size envy JoseBalow Jul 2025 #8
notamushroom Shellback Squid Jul 2025 #18
Maybe he can SHARPIE it up. B.See Jul 2025 #28
Trump also had nicer weather for his inauguration. Norrrm Jul 2025 #21
🤣🤣🤣🤣 underpants Jul 2025 #30
Lies, stupidity, deflection, bad faith, and distraction in a nutshell. still-prayin4rain Jul 2025 #9
Gabbard's memo supposedly laying out Obama's "treasonous conspiracy" Wiz Imp Jul 2025 #12
Yeah, all's fair in love, war and politics... Septua Jul 2025 #27
Trump mob knows their magas never read beyond a headline Attilatheblond Jul 2025 #53
She's shameless. I literally feel second hand embarrassment watching her tell these ridiculous lies. still-prayin4rain Jul 2025 #59
Not only shameless and despicable, but totally incompetent as well. Wiz Imp Jul 2025 #62
Obama is intelligent. Trump is stupid. Donald hates that. 2MuchNoise Jul 2025 #11
Tan Suit, unforgivable! Shellback Squid Jul 2025 #17
The evil tan suit Norrrm Jul 2025 #22
Well, Dinesh tweeted it so it MUST be true. johnnyfins Jul 2025 #19
Obama's sins: Handsome, sexy, debonaire, intelligent, well spoken, kind, wonderful public servant. Irish_Dem Jul 2025 #31
And let's not forget our gracious first lady, Michelle. CTyankee Jul 2025 #44
Who went to law school and became a lawyer. Irish_Dem Jul 2025 #49
Did Melanoma even GO to college (much less an Ivy League one)? CTyankee Jul 2025 #51
She lies in her bio and pretends to have a college degree. Irish_Dem Jul 2025 #52
She probably flunked out... CTyankee Jul 2025 #54
Gold diggers only need to learn basic math. Irish_Dem Jul 2025 #55
He had the audacity... sheshe2 Jul 2025 #32
The act of being Black while louis-t Jul 2025 #34
He was competent and knew what he was doing. greatauntoftriplets Jul 2025 #35
Plus, He Had 8 Years To Pull Off A Massive Grift ProfessorGAC Jul 2025 #37
Yeah, an honest politician! greatauntoftriplets Jul 2025 #48
Recommended. H2O Man Jul 2025 #36
I am so outraged at this. There are no words Joinfortmill Jul 2025 #39
Pretty much the same grievances since 2017, but Tulsi now says they constitute treason. Eugene Jul 2025 #40
Got elected while being black.... yourout Jul 2025 #41
He's had not an ounce of credibility since the birthergate nonsense and he's just recycling the same crap unblock Jul 2025 #43
Was that when Paul McCartney came to the White House and sang "Michelle, la belle." CTyankee Jul 2025 #46
this is all that is public w/respect to it that I am aware of cadoman Jul 2025 #56
A serious problem with all of news media and even here... bullimiami Jul 2025 #58
Here's a summary as I understand the allegations: snot Jul 2025 #60
Simple, to start he is a black man, republianmushroom Jul 2025 #61
Nothing - Epstein Files JustAnotherGen Jul 2025 #63
i heard he wore beige once. pansypoo53219 Jul 2025 #64
He was a BLACK Democrat who got elected president, TWICE... Jack Valentino Jul 2025 #65
The first time was a candle. Only the second time was a s'candle. DFW Jul 2025 #66
It's a beginning. Kid Berwyn Jul 2025 #68
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