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111. I agree it won't be easy, and that a consensus

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 09:47 PM

Dec 2012

has to be nurtured. As for the Supreme Court, President Obama, hopefully, may well have the opportunity to replace one of the more reactionary justices on the Court, maybe even two, which could tip things in a significant way.

It is all still unwinding, all still unpredictable. But I do think the horror of last week has produced a marked change in attitude. Four years ago Democrats were still being told that supporting marriage equality was a sure ticket to electoral defeat, and the change in public attitude there has been nothing less than remarkable. I haven't seen the latest polls on this, but I do know there has been concern expressed in past years by some anti-gun control people that younger people are less attached to guns--for instance less likely to be a part of hunting culture--than their elders. And so, as with marriage equality, gays openly serving in the military, and the Dream Act, demographics may also play a role in how this unfolds.

We shall see.

Best wishes to you and yours for the holidays! And isn't it nice that the world hasn't ended after all?

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The Rude Pundit - What to Do: A Post on Gun Laws That Will Piss Off Guntards [View all] meegbear Dec 2012 OP

tax and regulate eom tj_crackersnatch Dec 2012 #1

Yup Ganja Ninja Dec 2012 #31

Hollow point ammunition is safer than "ball" or Cu plated round point ammunition. Why do you bluerum Dec 2012 #2

Safer for whom? Spider Jerusalem Dec 2012 #5

It does not go through walls hack89 Dec 2012 #28

Because the "guntards" use them to expand in their targets. They don't give a shit about bystanders. Hoyt Dec 2012 #6

Indeed!!!! haikugal Dec 2012 #9

More bullshit amateur psychoanalysis, Hoyt? Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #10

Like I said, it's time to quit coddling those who think their need to hug a bunch of guns is more Hoyt Dec 2012 #12

Oooh! Bullshit amateur psychoanalysis AND straw man! Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #18

So you're saying you feel like you need to be coddled? rbixby Dec 2012 #38

I see nothing groundbreaking in his post tkmorris Dec 2012 #13

"They don't give a shit about bystanders." Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #16

I'll take your word on it... daleanime Dec 2012 #20

The Newtown killer did not use hollow points. bluerum Dec 2012 #94

K&R nt abelenkpe Dec 2012 #3

K&R 99Forever Dec 2012 #4

Federal law against concealed carry Fumesucker Dec 2012 #7

Not a federal issue hack89 Dec 2012 #30

Look, you have people starting arguments in restaraunts and then ending them with a concealed gun Fumesucker Dec 2012 #32

Can states make weed totally legal? Washington and Colorado think they can. hack89 Dec 2012 #33

Law abiding gun owners will follow federal law Fumesucker Dec 2012 #37

So all those pot smokers in Washington and Colorado are criminals? Really? hack89 Dec 2012 #39

I've been needing a new hobby I'm kind of of bored with the old ones Fumesucker Dec 2012 #41

So you're saying the 1934 federal law banning machine guns thucythucy Dec 2012 #100

They did not ban machine guns - they are perfectly legal for private citizens to own hack89 Dec 2012 #106

Okay. Then the way to go would seem to be thucythucy Dec 2012 #108

Heller has changed things somewhat hack89 Dec 2012 #110

I agree it won't be easy, and that a consensus thucythucy Dec 2012 #111

Concealed carry? Hmmmm... I've been thinking about a new hobby... hunter Dec 2012 #81

I like the Tree of Life. Nice. Hoyt Dec 2012 #98

Nail...meet The Rude One!! haikugal Dec 2012 #8

Since when is any form of "retard" okay here? Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #11

Give us a break. You are just another gun cultist trying to deflect blame from your "hobby." Hoyt Dec 2012 #14

Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #17

Wow... "guntard" wasn't hidden letemrot Dec 2012 #47

The Term "guntard" Came From The Rude's Piece HangOnKids Dec 2012 #59

In the OP title there are no quotes letemrot Dec 2012 #63

I guess you just take your chances on an internet board. It is what it is. HangOnKids Dec 2012 #66

as much as I detest gun enthusiasts Skittles Dec 2012 #15

Well...at least we have that in common! Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #19

He's the "RUDE PUNDIT" for a reason. MessiahRp Dec 2012 #23

I agree, this is a term demeaning to people with developmental disabilities, thucythucy Dec 2012 #101

Excellent statement at the end: SpankMe Dec 2012 #21

I love this! But knowing the mentality of the bad guys, that bumper sticker on your car calimary Dec 2012 #103

This rocks, but I'll add one more Proud Public Servant Dec 2012 #22

Sensible man and article riverbendviewgal Dec 2012 #24

'Guntards' is juvenile. randome Dec 2012 #25

+1 Puzzledtraveller Dec 2012 #26

If you let the NRA speak for you that's how others are going to think of you Fumesucker Dec 2012 #35

So to get stupid people to behave more rationally, we need to be more stupid? randome Dec 2012 #43

OK.. Fumesucker Dec 2012 #46

There is no reasoning with the likes of Nugent, that's for sure. randome Dec 2012 #57

We have ways to deal with people who don't "cooperate with new regulations" DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2012 #42

I agree completely with creating much more comprehensive laws for guns. randome Dec 2012 #44

If their position is unreasonable then they appear more and more unhinged the harder they fight Fumesucker Dec 2012 #48

There is that. randome Dec 2012 #55

The Rude One hits it out of the park again. hifiguy Dec 2012 #27

I disagree with the ban on hollow points. JoeyT Dec 2012 #29

What is it with gunheads and... 99Forever Dec 2012 #34

Do you want legislation? cthulu2016 Dec 2012 #64

Well golly gee... 99Forever Dec 2012 #65

No, apparently we don't. JoeyT Dec 2012 #69

NOT TODAY , NOT EVER --> "the NRA and right wingers are the only ones that sound like " bettyellen Dec 2012 #104

They're awesome at taking sections of a sentence out of context too. JoeyT Dec 2012 #105

Today, the NRA sounded like deranged moronic selfish assholes. So there's that. bettyellen Dec 2012 #107

Yep. JoeyT Dec 2012 #109

Yeah, trying to craft functional legislation makes me a gunhead. JoeyT Dec 2012 #68

Precisely who did I call "retards." 99Forever Dec 2012 #76

You didn't. JoeyT Dec 2012 #82

Hollow points sarisataka Dec 2012 #72

Yep. JoeyT Dec 2012 #74

A very unfortunate fact is sarisataka Dec 2012 #80

True, but only because gunsters will always push the envelop to satisfy their need Hoyt Dec 2012 #99

Thoughts on the proposals... Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #36

Forgive me if I missed something genxlib Dec 2012 #45

Clarifications. Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #56

With all due respect genxlib Dec 2012 #86

On private sales. Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #89

Too much potential for fraud with online sales and online registration. I work for the state and Erose999 Dec 2012 #54

If the banks can figure out how to pass finanancial credentials, this is a solveable problem. Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #58

I've had 2 instances of fraud on my bank account in the past year. Nothing online is secure. Nothing Erose999 Dec 2012 #112

"No private sales of firearms" JoeyT Dec 2012 #70

It's harder to buy cold and sinus medicine. Matariki Dec 2012 #40

Hell, it's harder to VOTE in an election! AllyCat Dec 2012 #62

Maybe at a cold medicine show it is, but not in a store. cthulu2016 Dec 2012 #67

That's because there's a JoeyT Dec 2012 #71

The gun registry should be open for public viewing. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #49

That would be a bad idea. JoeyT Dec 2012 #73

But what kind of militia do we have if membership in it is secret? JDPriestly Dec 2012 #91

The kind that isn't shooting someone JoeyT Dec 2012 #95

Invitation to theft. Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #78

But the Second Amendment grants the right to bear arms in order to insure we have a militia. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #93

The kind that fears its government. Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #96

I fucking love you. nt rivegauche Dec 2012 #50

Hey, I bought sake from a sidewalk vending machine in Tokyo in the wee hours of the morning DollarBillHines Dec 2012 #51

Close down gun shows!!! lastlib Dec 2012 #52

K&R for the Rude Pundit. nt Chorophyll Dec 2012 #53

LOL OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #60

And while we are at it, require gun owners to purchase liability insurance AllyCat Dec 2012 #61

No problem. It's cheap, and you will probably get it as part of your NRA membership. Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #77

If your gun is stolen/missing and it can be shown you were not reasonably prudent Fumesucker Dec 2012 #85

Good ideas, rude guy, but they still won't get us to Japan's low level of gun deaths Dems to Win Dec 2012 #75

Our *non*-gun homicide rate is higher than Japan's *total* rate, too. X_Digger Dec 2012 #79

As I said, 'Japan's low level of gun deaths'. Gun-murder is the lazy man's way of death. Dems to Win Dec 2012 #83

It's only "gun carnage" that bothers you. Okay. X_Digger Dec 2012 #84

People don't have a constitutional right to own a bat. Guns are oh-so-special Dems to Win Dec 2012 #88

No shit, people don't have a constitional right to a bat.. X_Digger Dec 2012 #90

Article V of the US Constitution awaits your attention. friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #87

Lets look at your proposals happyslug Dec 2012 #92

Kicked and FUCKING recommended for the RUDE PUNDIT!! madinmaryland Dec 2012 #97

While I agree with much of this OP, "guntard" is a demeaning slur thucythucy Dec 2012 #102